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I've always wondered why The Void in Vertigo isn't considered a canvas free of infinite dimensions and layers. Is there an answer?
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Akashachann
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Shouldn't this be a QnA instead of Content Revision:?
Edit: Ok, someone moved it.
Edit: Ok, someone moved it.
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even if the creations it contains have infinite dimensions?
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Any scans for those?
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Elaine travels infinite distances through the realms she flies. Some of these realms are physical space, some are abstract spaces. There may be those who say that this is not a clear qualitative advantage.
It's like Lucifer folding eternity into space and time and saying that there is now a door in every realm.
It's like Lucifer folding eternity into space and time and saying that there is now a door in every realm.
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Yes, because it's not. It says nothing about qualitative superiority. When she says physical dimensions, she means the dimensions in which humans live, and when she says abstractions, she means dimensions that are incomplete, left unfinished, that's it.
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Since there is no qualitative superiority or R>F between the space-time and the layers here, you cannot move it up much. Also, the fact that the abstract and concrete difference between the two realms is infinite does not change much.
Uncountable infinity does not work this way, no matter how many infinites you add to infinity, you still cannot reach uncountable infinity.
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The infinite difference between the Concrete and the Abstract is not a qualitative difference anyway. It's a dimensional superiority that I'm talking about here. The realms in which Elaine flies move from "physical" space to abstraction. Elaine then moves on to another realm beyond.
I can understand that it has moved to a higher dimension.
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They're litteraly the same thing. What you call dimensional superiority is the difference between 4D and 5D and that is what we call qualitative superiority. And no. The fact that she moves from physical dimension to "abstraction" has nothing to do with uncountable infinite superiority (which is qualitative superiority/dimensional superiority... however you want to call it). It is just that she moves from the (physical) dimensions where humans live to the incomplete (abstraction) dimensions, that's all.
If you are going to do something with such statements on this wiki, try without adding your own interpretation. We, VS wiki, only do things with what is shown in the verse. Not by interpreting what is not said.
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Your ownership of the wiki is very admirable. On the other hand, if I added my own interpretation, you wouldn't understand. What is emphasized as "physical" is space. Elaine also talks about the temporal difference of the beyond realms compared to the lower realms. It moves from physical spaces to abstractions and then into another grey space beyond. You derail things just because people and centaurs living in physical spaces reside there. The emphasis is not on indwelling entities, but on intangible and concrete realms and beyond.
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Yes, she is just saying that time flows differently, so it is more difficult to follow the flow of time, that's all. This is not about a superiority. Not even close to it.
It means nothing without context. Also higher dimensions are physical spaces asw, calling those places abstractions is not even a sign of superiority.
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The absence of scans suggesting it has infinite dimensions.
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Because realms are not layers.
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I didn't say it was a qualitative superiority. I just wanted to further clarify the difference between concrete and abstract.
The higher dimensions are not physical, but abstract and beyond. They exist as a higher dimension that defines material spaces. There will already be a superiority between the physical and the abstract.
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The verse is already tiered for having a superiority layer between the physical and abstract.
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We separate the concrete and the abstract to classify the infinite realms on which Elaine flies. If you accept that there is an advantage, this should also be taken into account. Otherwise, how do we find the qualitative difference between these realms?
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This has already been clearly demonstrated, assuming that the dimensions Elaine is flying over are infinite. Even if the void beyond space and time is infinitely layered in itself, if the filled part is zero, why not at a scale of 1-A and above?
Infinite dimensions and layers, are meaningless and unimportant to void.
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Because there is no evidence of infinite layers.
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I guess so.
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By "everything" here, he literally means everything. It speaks of the infinite stratification of anything upon itself. Infinite endless layers. How about a qualitative superiority for creations: There are no other worlds/realms in Lucifer's creation. But the creation that Elaine is flying over certainly includes realms beyond the universes.
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The 1st Layer needs have superiority to the 2nd Layer, the 3rd Layer needs to be superior to the 4th Layer, unless this is shown and proven, it doesn't matter if there are endless layers or not.
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I am uncertain at the moment, what is the cosmology rating prior to this panel?
If it was rated as 6D or 7D, there is no need for further context or explicit statements following the introduction of this panel. The continuation of the ladder can be implied.
To clarify, suppose the verse initially presented a cosmology rated as 7D, and later in this panel, a statement was made indicating an infinite number of such layers. No additional explicit statements are necessary. One can simply connect the dots and conclude that there are indeed infinite layers of QS.
This is a hypothetical scenario that does not pertain specifically to the contextual framework of this particular verse. My attention is primarily directed towards the arbitrary requirement you mentioned in the bolded part.
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Well yes if there was already evidence of even two of the layers having superiority over one another, it would carry on to the rest of the layers even if it's in a separate statement.
But in this case, I don't think there is such evidence.
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Thus, I asked what is the cosmology beforehand.
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When we say cosmology, because of realms like Yahweh creation, Silver City and MOS that we are familiar with=6D
Lucifer and Michael=7D
Yahweh, Elaine and other creators=8D
Void=9D
After that, there will be much more valuable creations and creators.
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Since there is no time and space, anything is included in the endless layering. What you say has no meaning in the Void.
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These creations are interconnected and also go on forever with a better creation and a better creative continuity.
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wtf? lookin at recent revision aint the reason Lucifer and Michael is 1-C is because they scalled to their father. How Arch Angel have QS?
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Just because they're scaled to Yahweh doesn't make Lucifer and Michael 1-C. The QS of the Archangels are to the 6D, like Silver City or Mos.
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Lucifer and Michael are 1-C though.
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Yes? I haven't said otherwise. I reminded the main reason why Lucifer and Michael are 1-C.
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Sorry for misunderstanding then.
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np. So what do you think about this subject? Do you think there is infinite QS between infinite layers?
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It's a little to vague in my opinion. Though in DeMatteis Cosmology you have infinite leyers which POTENTIALLY can be High 1-B.
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DM cosmology, in my opinion, can be taken to a much higher level with additional contexts. I think the DM cosmology is the most superior of all DC cosmologies. By the way, what do you think is unclear?
