Strongest Non-Smurf: 9-A

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Non-Smurf Thread
Similar to this but for 9-A
The goal is to find characters or at least make the 9-A list more consistent

List:
1. Characters from Dungeons and Dragons (Such as Imp)

2. Aiko Hatayama

3. Ainz Ooal Gown

3. Isaac

4. Snatcher

6. Haruna (Arpeggio of Blue Steel) (Speed Unequalized) \ Jean Grey (Fox: Post-Retcon) (Speed Equalized)

7. Hachimaru

8. Corvo Attano

9. Mardicus

10. Tricky The Clown

Candidates:

• Beyond the Grave

Disqualified:

• Maxwell (Smurf)
• The Player (The Magic Circle) (Bad profile + No supporter)
• Characters from Hellper (Bad profiles + No supporter)

 

[Dragonite007]

Maxwell was disqualified, Hachimaru is on the 10th now

 

[DaReaperMan]

I am here to gatekeep with Ainz

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Here I was, going to nominate Beyond the Grave, but these characters look extreme

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I am here to gatekeep with Ainz

He's nothing without that sus durability

Here I was, going to nominate Beyond the Grave, but these characters look extreme

Well, he lost to Sekiro, so yeah

 

[DaReaperMan]

He's nothing without that sus durability

I mean he stomped 4-A Snatcher so...

 

[AnAverageUsername]

He's nothing without that sus durability

Well, he lost to Sekiro, so yeah

Only because back then I didn't know what I was arguing about, though he still wouldn't make it here even with his arsenal of weapons and perception manipulation that should just be straight up time manipulation

 

[Dragonite007]

Candidate: Mardicus

 

[hippoishungry]

Speaking of Ainz, he and Aiko should 100% be higher

Ainz resists the vast majority of abilities from Hellper besides external transformation, but that stuff doesn't work on weaker individuals anyway

Aiko is a bit different as she doesn't resist some of their abilities such as Jang Gangnam's power absorption, but she still has a far longer range and concept based empathetic manip so she should clear them fairly easily as well

Same sort of stuff goes for the player in the 3rd spot, their hax is only several meters and they literally only have a singular resistance so both Ainz and Aiko should roll him with mind manip. The NEP looks like it hasn't been updated yet but from a quick glance at the profile it looks like it would be aspect 4, so I don't think it would affect Ainz and Aiko to much

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Aiko is a bit different as she doesn't resist some of their abilities such as Jang Gangnam's power absorption, but she still has a far longer range and concept based empathetic manip so she should clear them fairly easily as well

Technicallyyyy the last crt granted her and bunch of resistances, howeveeer to not bloat all the profiles I proposed list it just as magic resistance and said that I was going to add the list of resistances to the future physiology page I want to make, buuuut now I began the new semester and my priority are other verses, soooo it will be some more time until the full list of resistances is in the profiles.

Not that it actually matter in this case because as I explained in the past she just automatically recover with time hax and have the means to comfortably put down others while in safety. In the past I stated that the reason for not pushing for higher spots is because I don't know anything about Hellper characters and the player, and while asked about them no one answered, the thread against Azashiro also died after 4 post without bleach guys input.

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Aiko do more than just mindhax though, and as long he have laws and concepts she should be able to affect him. I think Ainz death hax work? Not really sure.

That said though, since some time ago it was decided in the list to give more priority to the strength of a character instead of just how hard it is to affect as that tend to make none-existent type 2, acausals type 5 and transdual characters high even if their haxs are actually meh. So if the only thing he have is be hard to affect he shouldn't be that high on the list.

 

[Deceived3596]

I agree with removing the Hellper characters and The Player, those profiles aren't good and there's next to no supporters for either verse, so finding people to defend their positioning is next to impossible.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

since some time ago it was decided in the list to give more priority to the strength of a character instead of just how hard it is to affect as that

I mean, if you can't affect The Player he will kill you

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

If no one has problem, I will remove both The Player and Hellper
If anyone wants to nominate them again for the list that's fine

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

I mean, if you can't affect The Player he will kill you

Not necessarily, he could for example not have enough hax potency to affect the opponent (which I'm pretty sure he lack with Aiko and Ainz at least), could lack to do lasting damage to the opponent due to regen or similar things (like Aiko auto time based healing or Hachimaru), or even lack the means to physically damage the opponent (due to higher durability, like Ainz, Aiko, Haruna and Jean dura), so by itself without an actual strong skillset the only thing that those abilities due is make the user harder to affect while the purpose of the thread is look at the strongest.

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

If no one has problem, I will remove both The Player and Hellper
If anyone wants to nominate them again for the list that's fine

I'm fine with that, they don't seem to have more supporters in the wiki, so that's probably for the best as they don't have knowledgeable people to argue for them.

 

[Arcker123]

Following to defend my goon

 

[Deceived3596]

Well since spots have opened up, Corvo Attano for a free placement

 

[Dragonite007]

If no one has problem, I will remove both The Player and Hellper
If anyone wants to nominate them again for the list that's fine

Add Mardicus to 9th

Well since spots have opened up, Corvo Attano for a free placement

What he have to defeat Mardicus?

 

[Deceived3596]

What he have to defeat Mardicus?

There's two open spots, so no, not necessarily. He can just have the lower position for right now until someone makes a thread to boost him up.

 

[Dragonite007]

There's two open spots, so no, not necessarily. He can just have the lower position for right now until someone makes a thread to boost him up.

Bringing back the old... debate, How the Samurai fight?

Mardicus will open with Explosion Manipulation and summons

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Beyond the Grave for either 8 or 9. Depends on how he'd fair against Corvo.

 

[Dragonite007]

Beyond the Grave for either 8 or 9. Depends on how he'd fair against Corvo.

What he have to defeat Mardicus?

 

[Psychomaster35]

Would Post-Auditor Absorption Tricky work? Basically, he can’t be killed unless that pillar inside his hell gets destroyed, which is located in another dimension. Not to mention, his halo has passive madness manipulation, power nullification, and radiation manipulation. Also, he can make many minions equal to his own power to fight off his enemies.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

What he have to defeat Mardicus?

I'm gonna be honest I've never heard of DDTank and that profile really isn't helping here

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Well since spots have opened up, Corvo Attano for a free placement

Corvo probabily can defeat Jean through stealth and time stop

Beyond the Grave for either 8 or 9. Depends on how he'd fair against Corvo.

Better create a match against Mardicus

Would Post-Auditor Absorption Tricky work? Basically, he can’t be killed unless that pillar inside his hell gets destroyed,

Doesn't he take his opponents to hell? And he doesnt have imortality type 8
But yes, he probably deserves a very high position

 

[Dragonite007]

I'm gonna be honest I've never heard of DDTank and that profile really isn't helping here

summary: He has death hax, mind control and Sealing

 

[Deceived3596]

Bringing back the old... debate, How the Samurai fight?

Mardicus will open with Explosion Manipulation and summons

I'll create a versus thread here in a little bit, we can debate it there.

 

[Arcker123]

Can we discuss placement movements of existing characters as well

 

[RoTt35]

Corvo probabily can defeat Jean through stealth and time stop

Jean can sense and locate Corvo with Telepathy and Clairvoyance, and Time Stop depends if it's thought based and starts with that since Jean starts with thought based TK + Mind Hax + Deconstruction

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Telepathy and Clairvoyance

Both look shitty by the profile

Can we discuss placement movements of existing characters as well

What do you mean?

 

[Arcker123]

What do you mean?

I think Azashiro (Number 2) beats the Imp (Number 1) and thus their positions should be reversed.

Should that be discussed here or somewhere else.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Yes, sure, you can do that
The goal here is to make the list more consistent

 

[Arcker123]

Alrighty

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With that, i'll make a case as to why Azashiro can stomp Imp, which is mainly that he can interact with him (Soul phys NPI allows for interacting with AE) which means Aza can just range + ap stomp with High 6-A ranged soul attacking swords or vape with Kido. Imp only has several meter range where Aza has kilometers with his sword.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I think Azashiro (Number 2) beats the Imp (Number 1) and thus their positions should be reversed.

Should that be discussed here or somewhere else.

He can't. He can't even touch the Imp.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Alrighty

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With that, i'll make a case as to why Azashiro can stomp Imp, which is mainly that he can interact with him (Soul phys NPI allows for interacting with AE) which means Aza can just range + ap stomp with High 6-A ranged soul attacking swords or vape with Kido. Imp only has several meter range where Aza has kilometers with his sword.

Imp exists in 3 planes at once. Azahiro needs to affect through all 3 or nothing happens.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

summary: He has death hax, mind control and Sealing

So that death hax scan is shitty

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

At least Wall level, likely Small Building level (On par with the Rothé)

The guy is equal to a cow

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

The guy is equal to a cow

Funni CR scaling.

 

[Arcker123]

He can't. He can't even touch the Imp.

Azashiro can touch AE.

Imp exists in 3 planes at once. Azahiro needs to affect through all 3 or nothing happens.

Scan?