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Arrogant Child fights Lazy Boxer

DeltaStriker22 said:
Takuya Yagami vs Siha Lee​
Rules:
  • Speed equalised.
  • No prep time.
  • Both are in character but willing to kill.
  • Yagami AP: 12.2 Kilojoules
  • Siha Lee AP: 375 Joules - 9.92 Kilojoules

Yagami’s Advantages:
  • AP advantage.
  • Intelligence advantage.
  • Superior Martial Arts.

Siha Lee’s Advantages:
  • Analytical Prediction

Yagami (2): @DeltaStriker22, @Clout5560,
Siha Lee (5): @azontr, @The_man_with_the_Midas_touch, @Rikimarox2, @Cimafranca133, @Doggo,
Inconclusive (0):
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Even Ichika had her instincts react to Ayanokouji as soon as he was in her perception range. Ayanokouji also has instincts (the dude dodged supersonic calculated strikes from Shiba and Tsukishiro). So, I guess, it is easy to deduce that Yagami also has perception instincts, making him able to dodge strikes within his perception range too (casually blitzed Ichika who has this ability). And the speed is equalized, so I don't think Siha Lee wins. I vote for Yagami. Though it's just my opinion.
 
RoggerReggor said:
Even Ichika had her instincts react to Ayanokouji as soon as he was in her perception range. Ayanokouji also has instincts (the dude dodged supersonic calculated strikes from Shiba and Tsukishiro). So, I guess, it is easy to deduce that Yagami also has perception instincts, making him able to dodge strikes within his perception range too (casually blitzed Ichika who has this ability). And the speed is equalized, so I don't think Siha Lee wins. I vote for Yagami. Though it's just my opinion.
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Ok. I'll count the vote.
Do you have any scans for the instinctive actions? I can put them in a CRT I'm making.
 
Doggo said:
Not when he has only shown to predict boxing moves. Also Yagami's superior skill means he will have a hard time predicting in the first place
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This is the dumbest use of "B-BUT it's only done X!" That I've ever seen

Does Precognition not work because someone is trying to punch you instead of swinging a sword?

Let's actually take an example from Takuya!

He can't at all Manipulate ANY adults because he hasn't shown to.

Doesn't matter if it'd make 0 sense for him not to be able to manipulate the world's most stupid and airheaded person ever, they're over 18(Or under 13)!
 
DeltaStriker22 said:
He doesn't know 24 different martial arts.
But he is a master of 5: Karate(at least 5th dan), Aikido(at least 4th dan) and Boxing, Jeet Kune Do, Judo of same skill level.
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I don't understand this logic, if Takuya > Manabu, then why does he gain 5th dan and 4th dan in "his" learnt martial arts? Also, boxing and Judo are from volume 0, right? And if I am not wrong, V0 was about Ayanokouji's 4th gen, while Takuya is from 5th gen, he might, or might not have practiced the same stuff.
 
RoggerReggor said:
I don't understand this logic, if Takuya > Manabu, then why does he gain 5th dan and 4th dan in "his" learnt martial arts?
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That's mostly because Yagami knows those martial arts too so if manabu is 4th and 5th dan then yagami should be comparable in skill if not superior.
RoggerReggor said:
Also, boxing and Judo are from volume 0, right? And if I am not wrong, V0 was about Ayanokouji's 4th gen, while Takuya is from 5th gen, he might, or might not have practiced the same stuff.
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It worked the first time with the 4th gen, why would they change it for the 5th? There are no statements for the white room changing martial arts with each gen, also Ichika stated she studied all the same things Ayanokoji did so should have been the same for Yagami.
 
DeltaStriker22 said:
That's mostly because Yagami knows those martial arts too so if manabu is 4th and 5th dan then yagami should be comparable in skill if not superior.
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Beating someone doesn't mean you are higher in skill. If I have an astronomically higher AP and Speed higher than you when you just have better martial arts, I would still beat you, but still not have skills as good as you in martial arts. I agree that Takuya is more skilled than Manabu, but he doesn't become higher than 5th dan and 4th dan what Manabu trained, you need better proves for that I guess.
DeltaStriker22 said:
It worked the first time with the 4th gen, why would they change it for the 5th? There are no statements for the white room changing martial arts with each gen, also Ichika stated she studied all the same things Ayanokoji did so should have been the same for Yagami.
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Ichika believed she studied the same things Ayanokouji did. And if I am not wrong, Ichika certainly even believed that she could have damaged Kushida before Ayanokouji could reach her, but got utterly destroyed and blitzed by Ayanokouji, Ichika is too bad to trust in this case.
 
RoggerReggor said:
Beating someone doesn't mean you are higher in skill. If I have an astronomically higher AP and Speed higher than you when you just have better martial arts, I would still beat you, but still not have skills as good as you in martial arts. I agree that Takuya is more skilled than Manabu, but he doesn't become higher than 5th dan and 4th dan what Manabu trained, you need better proves for that I guess.
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The WR training should be drastically better than any outside training facility considering they were trying to make perfect humans. So Yagami's skill should be drastically higher than manabu in any martial arts they both practiced. So even if he isn't stated to be 4th and 5th dan Manabu is still outskilled by Yagami, making Yagami superior to 4th and 5th dan level.
RoggerReggor said:
Ichika believed she studied the same things Ayanokouji did. And if I am not wrong, Ichika certainly even believed that she could have damaged Kushida before Ayanokouji could reach her, but got utterly destroyed and blitzed by Ayanokouji, Ichika is too bad to trust in this case.
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I guess that makes sense.
 
DeltaStriker22 said:
The WR training should be drastically better than any outside training facility considering they were trying to make perfect humans. So Yagami's skill should be drastically higher than manabu in any martial arts they both practiced. So even if he isn't stated to be 4th and 5th dan Manabu is still outskilled by Yagami, making Yagami superior to 4th and 5th dan level.
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I personally agreed before too that Yagami is better than Manabu in skill.

Bruce Lee would be way more skilled than me at martial arts, and he practiced jeet kune do, tai chi, wing chun, boxing, judo, wrestling, kali (escrima), taekwondo, and fencing. Now, if both me and Bruce Lee fought, and I got foddered by Bruce Lee (of course I would be), does that mean that if I used a completely different martial arts than the one he knows, that wouldn't mean that Bruce Lee would be at least as skilled as me in those martial arts.

I don't know how the scaling of this site works in a whole, but if that's how it works, then its wrong tbh.
DeltaStriker22 said:
I guess that makes sense.
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Hm.
 
Also peoples really underestimate The Boxer bs skill, huh?

If peoples still overstimate COTE skill then i'll throw a ******* Human Form Kamen Rider to their ass
 
It would be best if we see the experience of the people who did martial arts rather than what martial arts they performed.

Even Bruce Lee once said, "I fear not the man who has practiced 10000 kicks, I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10000 times."

Though this quote still wouldn't mean the exact same thing as me, what I want to say is that we should just see the experience for their skills, not how many styles they have.

Yagami has more than 13 years of martial arts experience at least, while training for more than 10 hours each day in those 13 years.

I don't know about Siha Lee.
 
RoggerReggor said:
It would be best if we see the experience of the people who did martial arts rather than what martial arts they performed.

Even Bruce Lee once said, "I fear not the man who has practiced 10000 kicks, I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10000 times."

Though this quote still wouldn't mean the exact same thing as me, what I want to say is that we should just see the experience for their skills, not how many styles they have.

Yagami has more than 13 years of martial arts experience at least, while training for more than 10 hours each day in those 13 years.

I don't know about Siha Lee.
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Siha Lee is a "Genius" in The Boxer, and Geniuses in that series can easily defeat people with several decades of experience on them without any prior training in combat, so experience is simply irrelevant to Siha Lee.
 
RoggerReggor said:
It would be best if we see the experience of the people who did martial arts rather than what martial arts they performed.

Even Bruce Lee once said, "I fear not the man who has practiced 10000 kicks, I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10000 times."

Though this quote still wouldn't mean the exact same thing as me, what I want to say is that we should just see the experience for their skills, not how many styles they have.

Yagami has more than 13 years of martial arts experience at least, while training for more than 10 hours each day in those 13 years.
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Meanwhile Godai with his 2000 way of skills be like: 🗿
I wish Godai is in tier 9-B so he can manhandled all of you there

Joke aside, Shiha take this way easily FRA
 
azontr said:
Siha Lee is a "Genius" in The Boxer, and Geniuses in that series can easily defeat people with several decades of experience on them without any prior training in combat, so experience is simply irrelevant to Siha Lee.
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I see, Yagami is a genius + experienced too.

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Ignore the whole scan, just see that Yagami actually surpassed everyone in the 5th gen. And in the 5th gen, it's basically harder than any training you will find on the freaking planet if I am not wrong, your instructors are the bullies, you basically are kicked out of the program if you can't keep up. White Room is basically a program to get you to become stronger by getting bullied. You have to practice martial arts, beat adults who are masters themselves to pass on a level, and if you fail to do so, as I said, you are kicked out.
 
RoggerReggor said:
I see, Yagami is a genius + experienced too.

fR5bT6I.png


Ignore the whole scan, just see that Yagami actually surpassed everyone in the 5th gen. And in the 5th gen, it's basically harder than any training you will find on the freaking planet if I am not wrong, your instructors are the bullies, you basically are kicked out of the program if you can't keep up. White Room is basically a program to get you to become stronger by getting bullied. You have to practice martial arts, beat adults who are masters themselves to pass on a level, and if you fail to do so, as I said, you are kicked out.
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Genius in the Boxer is not "conventional" Combat Genius, as you're trying to prove in the scan.

Geniuses in the Boxer are so inherently combat proficient that the only way to truly challenge one is to break through your limits (as in, transcend your physical limitations several times over) throughout a span of several years before you can even begin to match one, and that's for low-level Geniuses. Geniuses on Siha's level are much more advanced than your average Genius, and you have to go through equally hellish training and develop strategies to even hope to challenge him, and still lose.
 
Experience means jack when your opponent performes shit way beyond your caliber. Yagumi's martial arts will be quite useless against Siha's Analytical prediction, which is far above normal "Seeing your muscles and predicting your move"

Also, "Geniuses" in The Boxer are damn nuts. They are able to beat professional boxers without any training (And no, this was with pure skill, not ap). Hell, the only times we've seen people defeat geniuses were either A: The opponent was a bigger genius, or B: Just surpass your limits over and over again, like Takeda.

Edit: Ninja'd
 
Rikimarox2 said:
Experience means jack when your opponent performes shit way beyond your caliber. Yagumi's martial arts will be quite useless against Siha's Analytical prediction, which is far above normal "Seeing your muscles and predicting your move"

Also, "Geniuses" in The Boxer are damn nuts. They are able to beat professional boxers without any training (And no, this was with pure skill, not ap). Hell, the only times we've seen people defeat geniuses were either A: The opponent was a bigger genius, or B: Just surpass your limits over and over again, like Takeda.
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Ninja'd you.
 
I don't know about The Boxer verse.

Would change my vote to "inconclusive" for now.

Thanks to the people for the explanation though.
 
Are the 125 main chapters sufficient enough to tell the result of this debate? 🤔

Also, I am sorry for telling my opinion purely by seeing "Peak Human Characteristics" in Siha Lee's profile. 💀
 
azontr said:
Well, you may have generally different opinions on what happens in the 125 chapters and how it translates to a VS Match, but it's okay to disagree.
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2 chapters in, the protagonist beats up a guy who is the 3rd middleweight rank "Cheol" whom I believe to be very strong and experienced, with just 2 weeks of experience, th? 💀

Stop me, I might binge-read it.
 
RoggerReggor said:
2 chapters in, the protagonist beats up a guy who is the 3rd middleweight rank "Cheol" whom I believe to be very strong and experienced, with just 2 weeks of experience, th? 💀

Stop me, I might binge-read it.
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azontr said:
He's not the protagonist.
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RoggerReggor said:
I just realized.
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Trust me, The Protag (Yu) skill is on the whole another level, the thing you read is not even the best of him
If Shiha skill is already cracked, then Yu skill is even waaaaay much much much worse
 
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