Cuphead vs Miles Morales (GRACE)

[LeoEpicGamer8910]

Rules

• Mid Game Cuphead used
• Speed equalized
• Fight takes place on Inkwell Isle I
• Starting distance is 20 meters
• SBA for anything else

Voting
Cuphead: 7
(0.132 tons of tnt)

Miles Morales:
(0.043 tons of tnt)

Inconclusive:

 

[Knifeman29]

Miles. invisibility, venom blast, physical advantage, spider sense. yeah.

 

[koopa3144]

invisibility

If Miles goes invisible Cuphead can just use The Chasers homing bullets to find him.

venom blast

Iirc to use Venom Blast Miles has to make physical contact with an opponent. Cuphead gonna be constantly using his Smoke Bomb ability to teleport around to he should be able to avoid Venom Blast.

spider sense

Cuphead can just use The Chaser to prevent him from dodging.

 

[Knifeman29]

If Miles goes invisible Cuphead can just use The Chasers homing bullets to find him.

have they homed in on invisible enemies before?

Iirc to use Venom Blast Miles has to make physical contact with an opponent. Cuphead gonna be constantly using his Smoke Bomb ability to teleport around to he should be able to avoid Venom Blast.

he needs the slightest touch and its over, cuphead has teleportation but that doesnt mean he cant be hit,

Cuphead can just use The Chaser to prevent him from dodging.

Miles has dealt with attacks that chase after him with doc ock. also chasers are weaker than the normal bullets which are already weaker than miles, plus there slower than his normal shots too so miles shouldn't have any trouble

 

[LeoEpicGamer8910]

Bump

 

[koopa3144]

have they homed in on invisible enemies before?

No iirc. However, it can track ghosts and outside his line of sight.

he needs the slightest touch and its over, cuphead has teleportation but that doesnt mean he cant be hit,

Cuphead is also a ranged fighter, so he is constantly gonna try to keep distance between them.

Miles has dealt with attacks that chase after him with doc ock. also chasers are weaker than the normal bullets which are already weaker than miles, plus there slower than his normal shots too so miles shouldn't have any trouble

Cuphead can also use the Crackshot which can crack and change direction towards an opponent mid shot.

 

[Knifeman29]

No iirc. However, it can track ghosts and outside his line of sight.

alright. still their slower than his normal shots

Cuphead is also a ranged fighter, so he is constantly gonna try to keep distance between them.

Miles has fought ranged fighters before, cuphead can try but miles only needs one hit and cuphead needs to stay within range.

Cuphead can also use the Crackshot which can crack and change direction towards an opponent mid shot.

Spider-Sense

 

[LeoEpicGamer8910]

Bump

 

[Oiguana2701]

I think Miles wins. He should be able to use his abilities to quickly KO Cuphead. I think he should also have the AP advantage

 

[LeoEpicGamer8910]

I think Miles wins. He should be able to use his abilities to quickly KO Cuphead. I think he should also have the AP advantage

Counted, though the AP advantage Miles has here is small, so it shouldn't matter much.

 

[Knifeman29]

put me down for miles to

 

[LeoEpicGamer8910]

put me down for miles to

counted

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Miles needs to get close to do anything

Cuphead never engages in a physical combat and only get´s close if needed to dodge the bullet hell he normally face

Miles also would have to dodge all the barrage of proyectiles Cuphead can use, Chaser tracks him and creates a pseudo shield that damage Miles, Crackshot is not as good as Chaser in this regard but it can create a turret that will attack Miles on his own

Spread would melt Miles if close by the sheer number of proyectiles, the rest of proyeciles works more specifically but Miles would never know what type of proyectile he can use at any moment and the variety but his Spider sense at least gave him an advantage at dodging, but then we enter in the stamina deparment, how many hours can Miles dodge and fight? Cuphead spent 24[at maximun] hours running, dodging and fighting bosses or else his soul would be stolen by The Devil, guy that he also defeated

he needs the slightest touch and its over

Appart of him being perma dodging the whole time, invulnerability plus all the proyectiles that Miles can´t tank at all as easily as everyone here is putting, they are almost equal in AP, every proyectile here is damaging Miles and the closer he is, the easier is for Cuphead to land his attacks, Miles also has to dodge Chaser or crackshot all the time, spread encompasses the entire area in front of Cuphead and Cuphead has dodged complex patterns of Danmaku to be surprised by the Web shooters

 

[Knifeman29]

Spread would melt Miles if close by the sheer number of proyectiles, the rest of proyeciles works more specifically but Miles would never know what type of proyectile he can use at any moment and the variety but his Spider sense at least gave him an advantage at dodging.

most of his projectiles have low range, or would be easy to avoid, spider sense alerts him if anything funky is about to happen like the crack shot, And he can also turn invisible meaning the only things that would be able to hit miles is the chasers and possibly. And cuphead needs to swap to different firing styles.

but then we enter in the stamina deparment, how many hours can Miles dodge and fight? Cuphead spent 24[at maximun] hours running, dodging and fighting bosses or else his soul would be stolen by The Devil, guy that he also defeated

Does not matter cause the fight would not last long regardless of who wins

invulnerability

why does bro even have this. can you remind me what ability gives him this?

plus all the proyectiles that Miles can´t tank at all as easily as everyone here is putting

why not? The bosses take like hundreds of them and miles has higher dura than any cuphead character.

they are almost equal in AP,

Miles was barely effected by his feat while already heavily injured.

Miles also has to dodge Chaser or crackshot all the time, spread encompasses the entire area in front of Cuphead and Cuphead has dodged complex patterns of Danmaku to be surprised by the Web shooters

he has to dodge them when cuphead switches to them, and Chaser which is slower and weaker than his normal attacks, and crack shot which would be a little surprising but spider-sense is warning him of it.

spread encompasses the entire area in front of Cuphead and Cuphead has dodged complex patterns of Danmaku to be surprised by the Web shooters

Miles has in the past gone invisible to get a advantage on his enemies, if he is having trouble landing an attack on cuphead he will activate it, and at that point only crack shot and chaser would matter, and even then thats IF those abilities would be able to track him while invisible.

 

[jojo123]

Miles FRA

 

[LeoEpicGamer8910]

Miles FRA

Counted

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

most of his projectiles have low range

Only Spread, Bouncer and Roundabout if use normally, 3 of 9 weapons, also asking if being invisible drains stamina or has a time limit

why does bro even have this. can you remind me what ability gives him this?

"Cuphead crosses the astral plane and temporarily becomes invulnerable."

why not? The bosses take like hundreds of them and miles has higher dura than any cuphead character.

That makes the bosses being able to endure a lot of pain, not that the shots are garbage that Miles is gonna tank 300 shots of chaser

Miles was barely effected by his feat while already heavily injured.

And Cuphead upscales from his calc as the 9-A calc comes from a mid boss and Cuphead has faced stronger bosses, Devil is considered way beyond anyone for example and the DLC final boss could be even stronger for his "control of the other plane" lore shit, so if Miles upscales, so is Cuphead

spider-sense is warning him of it.

Now, this is the point where I ask how good is Miles compared to Peter, because Miles being newbie has him being damaged by things that by all means he should be able to react thanks to his precog, but the extent of it is unknown to me, if anything and if you can, would you show me his best fights? The fights against the most powerfull and skillfull villains

 

[Knifeman29]

Only Spread, Bouncer and Roundabout if use normally,

and the others are not going to be that hard cause they are slow have a basic build up, or will be easy to avoid after a while.

"Cuphead crosses the astral plane and temporarily becomes invulnerable."

"temporaily", it will go down after a while

That makes the bosses being able to endure a lot of pain, not that the shots are garbage that Miles is gonna tank 300 shots of chaser
And Cuphead upscales from his calc as the 9-A calc comes from a mid boss and Cuphead has faced stronger bosses, Devil is considered way beyond anyone for example and the DLC final boss could be even stronger for his "control of the other plane" lore shit, so if Miles upscales, so is Cuphead

ok. miles while already heavily damaged took this attack and it didnt seem to have any effect on him what soever, peter and kingpin are stronger than him and venom blast can oneshot both of them. so regardless of him upscaling from the feat to, miles still have a big advantage in physical stats and attack power.

also asking if being invisible drains stamina or has a time limit

No.

Now, this is the point where I ask how good is Miles compared to Peter, because Miles being newbie has him being damaged by things that by all means he should be able to react thanks to his precog, but the extent of it is unknown to me, if anything and if you can, would you show me his best fights? The fights against the most powerfull and skillfull villains

looking back he doesnt have too many feats of spider sense thats not just telling him theres an enemy near by, he does seem to react to things at a high speed, like the bus slamming through the building in the kingpin fight and ock attempting to throw something at him while him and peter was talking. the crack shot could probably take him by surprise once, but then hes gonna know how it works, all the projectiles have a really distinct look to them so miles shouldnt have too hard of a time adjusting.

And this is it's own little thing but the reasoning for cuphead's inteligence is odd, did he outsmart them or did he just beat them in a fight. and even then, outsmarting someone who can build robots in a fight doesnt seem all that solid of a inteligence feat.

 

[LeoEpicGamer8910]

bump

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Miles fra

 

[Stillwinston]

Hmmm I think I might personally go for Incon on this one, both have arguments that seem pretty solid to me atm. Might try Cuphead vs Commander Shepard at some point

 

[LeoEpicGamer8910]

Miles fra

Hmmm I think I might personally go for Incon on this one, both have arguments that seem pretty solid to me atm. Might try Cuphead vs Commander Shepard at some point

both counted

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Miles has dealt with attacks that chase after him with doc ock. also chasers are weaker than the normal bullets which are already weaker than miles, plus there slower than his normal shots too so miles shouldn't have any trouble

Cuphead entire thing is doing small damage to oponents strongher them him trough

And this is it's own little thing but the reasoning for cuphead's inteligence is odd, did he outsmart them or did he just beat them in a fight. and even then, outsmarting someone who can build robots in a fight doesnt seem all that solid of a inteligence feat.

Sinse every enemy uses a bullet hell like atack Cuphead needed to outsmart their oponents atacks to defeat them, not only is him weaker them every boss (Sinse every boss need multiple shoots to die and cuphead die to 3) so just beating them wouldn't have worked

 

[LeoEpicGamer8910]

bump

 

[JustANormalLemon]

I have no idea who to vote

 

[Oiguana2701]

I have no idea who to vote

Well, you can find a lot of arguments for both here, and there's the fandom pages for both too

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Well, you can find a lot of arguments for both here, and there's the fandom pages for both too

I know, It's just that I can visualize how the battle would go for sure, I'm not 100% to neitheir side

 

[Murayefeskamus]

cuphead

 

[JustANormalLemon]

I think I will vote cupead sinse even if miles go invisible Danmaku of projectiles should make him hit Miles even if he try to dodge

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

There is a CTR that recently was made that at minimun, is gonna upgraded Cuphead to High 8-C

So this fight has to wait for the future changes

 

[JustANormalLemon]

There is a CTR that recently was made that at minimun, is gonna upgraded Cuphead to High 8-C

So this fight has to wait for the future changes

Link?

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/big-cuphead-crt.152672/#post-5681631

 

[Knifeman29]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/big-cuphead-crt.152672/#post-5681631

so we could possibly use comic miles. if he only gets high 8-C

 

[JustANormalLemon]

so we could possibly use comic miles. if he only gets high 8-C

Comic miles has much better control of his powers, would probable be a stomp

and cuphead will gain a high 8-C key, not be completly High 8-C

 

[Sonicflare9]

miles fra

 

[LeoEpicGamer8910]

miles fra

Counted

This can continue.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

So now Cuphead is extremely tiny, has regen, becomes stronger the more he fights but lost one of his main weapons that I used as argument

Also, I think the votes has to be reseted for all the changes, you were using late game cuphead, now is mid-late, there has been problems when the thread owner changes any match condition so I am telling you this just to be sure

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Think again, even trough miles has used invisibility during some fights, he stay visible most of the time during them

 

[LeoEpicGamer8910]

bump

 

[JustANormalLemon]

bump

you still need to remove the votes