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Revisi for Ada/Eida From Boruto Verse

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Suigetsuhyugs said:
No, we have 2 wishes that were granted and momoshiki's statement that is an explanation of the power used, he is an Otsutsuki that can even see the future and predicted this reality manipulation he is a very reliable source.
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No one can be trusted if that just some statement without superior proof
 
Shadowbokunohero said:
btw i dont personally have an issue waiting for chapter 80 to clarify everything , given that we will know the extent of the power (im assuming)

for example if it effected Code then the range of the ability would drastically change
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Agree with this. Also OP presentation is very bad. You guys should create a new thread with more information in next chapter. This is kinda mess.
 
Personally I'm in favor of waiting for more information about the effects, if she affected the Code, the photos, records and etc... it's better to wait for the conclusion of the arc.
 
ZENZUYA said:
No one can be trusted if that just some statement without superior proof
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Really? How can we trust that a fireball attack is actually fire it that was told to us by the people? Maybe it's just red water. How can we trust rasengan is a ball of chakra? Maybe is a ball of food after all we can't trust anyone. Are you seeing where I'm going? How can we trust that Scarlett witch actually created a new reality during house of M? Maybe she just transmuted the entire planet and changed everyone's memories. Reality warp and other stuff like that don't exist in real life the author's have to find ways to represent that in fiction kishimoto just decided that it would be represented that way
 
GTsek said:
Personally I'm in favor of waiting for more information about the effects, if she affected the Code, the photos, records and etc... it's better to wait for the conclusion of the arc.
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As i said many times it doesn't matter if it affects photos or records, the ability is reality warp so it doesn't matter how the author decides to show it still is reality manipulation
 
Suigetsuhyugs said:
Really? How can we trust that a fireball attack is actually fire it that was told to us by the people? Maybe it's just red water. How can we trust rasengan is a ball of chakra? Maybe is a ball of food after all we can't trust anyone. Are you seeing where I'm going? How can we trust that Scarlett witch actually created a new reality during house of M? Maybe she just transmuted the entire planet and changed everyone's memories. Reality warp and other stuff like that don't exist in real life the author's have to find ways to represent that in fiction kishimoto just decided that it would be represented that way
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What you say is pointless.
yes on the wiki you still have difficulties separating things for you all supernatural action is a manipulation of reality but there is definitely a sharp line.
elemental man. There are chakras, since the buddha chakra is generally defined as energy, it is energy transformation or energy manipulation, but instead of energy manipulation, we call it chakra manipulation because what characterizes energy in this verse is chakra.
scarlet witch can really radically change the structure of something can really transform a pen into a toy as molecules and structurally it's playing with its reality it's all matter manipulation you say it's a wiki explanation
However, they are not able to change existing elements, as this is tied more to the nature of atoms, rather than molecules.
but reality carpitanin doesn't exist with this limitation alone, and what you don't understand is fiction, you're about to fit almost all the achievements in fiction into one manipulation
 
Suigetsuhyugs said:
As i said many times it doesn't matter if it affects photos or records, the ability is reality warp so it doesn't matter how the author decides to show it still is reality manipulation
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there is no such thing if it is accepted that such a thing can be confirmed then all characters with any sub-differentiated manipulation should be asked for additional reality distortion and it's a shame when they say where they base such a conclusion this will be the point that is pointed out if approved
 
Yusuf21259 said:
What you say is pointless.
yes on the wiki you still have difficulties separating things for you all supernatural action is a manipulation of reality but there is definitely a sharp line.
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The line between anything and reality manipulation is a statement saying it is.
Yusuf21259 said:
elemental man. There are chakras, since the buddha chakra is generally defined as energy, it is energy transformation or energy manipulation, but instead of energy manipulation, we call it chakra manipulation because what characterizes energy in this verse is chakra.
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Chaos magic is also an energy doesnt make it any less reality warp ish.
Yusuf21259 said:
scarlet witch can really radically change the structure of something can really transform a pen into a toy as molecules and structurally it's playing with its reality it's all matter manipulation you say it's a wiki explanation
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Thats matter manipulation or transmutation, Naruto literally does that when he uses transformation to give Gamabunta the shape of Kurama or when he turns himself into a shuriken
Yusuf21259 said:
However, they are not able to change existing elements, as this is tied more to the nature of atoms, rather than molecules.
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Atoms are just a smaller part of molecules what the hell are you talking about?
Yusuf21259 said:
but reality carpitanin doesn't exist with this limitation alone, and what you don't understand is fiction, you're about to fit almost all the achievements in fiction into one manipulation
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Because it does, reality manipulation is able to do basically anything some characters are limited to reality manipulation in a planet or in a universe but it doesnt matter, as long as we have a confirmation that it is reality warp it doesnt matter if he is creating a fireball or twisting the entire multiverse if it was made by reality warping its reality warp regardless of the size of the manipulation.
 
Suigetsuhyugs said:
The line between anything and reality manipulation is a statement saying it is.

Chaos magic is also an energy doesnt make it any less reality warp ish.

Thats matter manipulation or transmutation, Naruto literally does that when he uses transformation to give Gamabunta the shape of Kurama or when he turns himself into a shuriken

Atoms are just a smaller part of molecules what the hell are you talking about?

Because it does, reality manipulation is able to do basically anything some characters are limited to reality manipulation in a planet or in a universe but it doesnt matter, as long as we have a confirmation that it is reality warp it doesnt matter if he is creating a fireball or twisting the entire multiverse if it was made by reality warping its reality warp regardless of the size of the manipulation.
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these are just optical illusions and are available in Substitution Jutsu profiles if you want to change this you need to open a separate discussion thread for that
 
Yusuf21259 said:

these are just optical illusions and are available in Substitution Jutsu profiles if you want to change this you need to open a separate discussion thread for that
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I said transformation not substituition jutsu and transformation is surely not an illusion. I have no ideia why you mentioned that
 
Suigetsuhyugs said:
I said transformation not substituition jutsu and transformation is surely not an illusion. I have no ideia why you mentioned that
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I mean no, nothing like that happens in reality it's just an illusion the opponent sees it doesn't actually transform itself into a different object
 
If you say in the changing technique, in fact, these realities do not change, they are broken even by throwing a punch and there is no changing reality.
 
Yusuf21259 said:
I mean no, nothing like that happens in reality it's just an illusion the opponent sees it doesn't actually transform itself into a different object
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They do
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That shuriken is Naruto transformed unless Naruto out a nowhere make an hole in his chest thats an actual transformation not n illusion
 
Yusuf21259 said:
I mean no, nothing like that happens in reality it's just an illusion the opponent sees it doesn't actually transform itself into a different object
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what?

you realized Kisame transformed into a sword and was carried around lol

hell Sasuke gets turned into a staff in restuden and gets rolled across the floor

why does it feel like some of the people arguing here have not even read the series.....like at all
 
Kayzz said:
In a battle scenario, the only combat application it's going to have is the feats limited to what's shown - mind, memory, and empathetic manipulation.

It needs the feats of actually working on people (physically), objects, or events to solidify its case.
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No, we don't need extra feats.

Because momoshiki talks about Ada's ability to have the power to create the universe, the codes of the universe and so on.

Let's not take it as the universe, take it as the world in the context of "sekai". Still, this power must be able to create something.

Creation, Universe Creation and so on, this power of creation. But none of this can change the past or interfere with memories.

Reality Warping is the only one that provides all the data we have, and it fits perfectly. There's enough context to support it.
 
Yusuf21259 said:
I mean no, nothing like that happens in reality it's just an illusion the opponent sees it doesn't actually transform itself into a different object
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What? 🗿

Dude, why is the naruto debate audience in my country so stupid?

Go watch/read the series from the beginning and then let's discuss.

They can actually transform themselves into other shapes, it's not just an illusion that you look like that from the outside...
 
Shadowbokunohero said:
what?

you realized Kisame transformed into a sword and was carried around lol

hell Sasuke gets turned into a staff in restuden and gets rolled across the floor

why does it feel like some of the people arguing here have not even read the series.....like at all
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Shadowbokunohero said:
what?

you realized Kisame transformed into a sword and was carried around lol

hell Sasuke gets turned into a staff in restuden and gets rolled across the floor

why does it feel like some of the people arguing here have not even read the series.....like at all
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Yusuf21259 said:
If you say in the changing technique, in fact, these realities do not change, they are broken even by throwing a punch and there is no changing reality.
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If I never read the series, I would not be in a position to discuss it here.
 
ALittleNarutoFanBoy said:
No, we don't need extra feats.

Because momoshiki talks about Ada's ability to have the power to create the universe, the codes of the universe and so on.

Let's not take it as the universe, take it as the world in the context of "sekai". Still, this power must be able to create something.

Creation, Universe Creation and so on, this power of creation. But none of this can change the past or interfere with memories.

Reality Warping is the only one that provides all the data we have, and it fits perfectly. There's enough context to support it.
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momo said used to created world.but world can have different meaning. we need to see the feat it can created something.
Suigetsuhyugs said:
As i said many times it doesn't matter if it affects photos or records, the ability is reality warp so it doesn't matter how the author decides to show it still is reality manipulation
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but from what i know u need to affected something that physically existed to get reality manipulation.but eida feat only affected memory.maybe if the picture in naruto's home changed to kawaki then it can be reality manipulation
 
mal said:
but from what i know u need to affected something that physically existed to get reality manipulation.but eida feat only affected memory.maybe if the picture in naruto's home changed to kawaki then it can be reality manipulation
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Memories are just as physical as time, no there is no need to have any physical change happening, we just need to know it was made with reality manipulation
 
Suigetsuhyugs said:
Really? How can we trust that a fireball attack is actually fire it that was told to us by the people? Maybe it's just red water. How can we trust rasengan is a ball of chakra? Maybe is a ball of food after all we can't trust anyone. Are you seeing where I'm going? How can we trust that Scarlett witch actually created a new reality during house of M? Maybe she just transmuted the entire planet and changed everyone's memories. Reality warp and other stuff like that don't exist in real life the author's have to find ways to represent that in fiction kishimoto just decided that it would be represented that way
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It's useless don't push these stupid feats into something

now prove physically that changed reality only
 
Suigetsuhyugs said:
I have lost count how many times people that read the wiki tried to argue with people that actually read or watch the serie/manga/books/comics
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You're telling me that I'm trying to discuss without reading naruto and Boruto, sorry I'm 24 years old and I've been following the wiki for 3 years and naruto/boruto for 6 years. You can't say you don't understand because we don't agree in a discussion here.
 
ZENZUYA said:
It's useless don't push these stupid feats into something

now prove physically that changed reality only
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She made her desires reality by creating the charm ability, she changed peoples mind thats more than enough
Yusuf21259 said:
You're telling me that I'm trying to discuss without reading naruto and Boruto, sorry I'm 24 years old and I've been following the wiki for 3 years and naruto/boruto for 6 years. You can't say you don't understand because we don't agree in a discussion here.
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Not telling my age but i watch and read Naruto since 2010 when i saw the first episode so its now about 12 years, not that this is a competition.
The reason that you were said that is because you made quite a bit of mistakes regarding Naruto like just now that you said transformation jutsu is an illusion.
 
Suigetsuhyugs said:
She made her desires reality by creating the charm ability, she changed peoples mind thats more than enough

Not telling my age but i watch and read Naruto since 2010 when i saw the first episode so its now about 12 years, not that this is a competition.
The reason that you were said that is because you made quite a bit of mistakes regarding Naruto like just now that you said transformation jutsu is an illusion.
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Yusuf21259 said:
If you say in the changing technique, in fact, these realities do not change, they are broken even by throwing a punch and there is no changing reality.
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You're just breaking my word, I created a separate expression for the transformation jutsu.
 
Suigetsuhyugs said:
It doesnt matter if the transformation only last so long its still a transformation Naruto still turned himself into a shuriken.
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I want to say one last thing about this, I don't want to deal with it any more, look, as you say, if something has a limited reality, it can't be a direct reality manipulation, so there are dozens of sub-derivative manipulations in the name of difference in reality, even let me give you a very simple example mcu thor his own dress is instantly the same it makes the armor look different, this is cloth manipulation, but it contains reality at its core, but look, it can't be a direct reality manipulation, you can put any manipulation on the profile but a direct reality manipulation no I said that for the last time, if there is a vote I will only be found for the result
 
Yusuf21259 said:
I want to say one last thing about this, I don't want to deal with it any more, look, as you say, if something has a limited reality, it can't be a direct reality manipulation, so there are dozens of sub-derivative manipulations in the name of difference in reality, even let me give you a very simple example mcu thor his own dress is instantly the same it makes the armor look different, this is cloth manipulation, but it contains reality at its core, but look, it can't be a direct reality manipulation, you can put any manipulation on the profile but a direct reality manipulation no I said that for the last time, if there is a vote I will only be found for the result
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What? In what universe dies Thor's clothes contain reality at his core? At best it would be creation because he is making clothes out of nowhere.

Also as i meantioned earlier we are discussing this in another thread and everyone seems to accept so far at least 10 people already accepted and we are discussing exacly what should be on those changes
 
Suigetsuhyugs said:
As i said many times it doesn't matter if it affects photos or records, the ability is reality warp so it doesn't matter how the author decides to show it still is reality manipulation
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In a way I agree, the ability is materialize anything with an "absolute intention". From Momoshiki's description it seems to be reality warping, but in my view it's better to wait for more details of the effects.
 
GTsek said:
In a way I agree, the ability is materialize anything with an "absolute intention". From Momoshiki's description it seems to be reality warping, but in my view it's better to wait for more details of the effects.
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We already have everything we need for her to have reality manipulation the next chapter should confirm if the otsutsuki have reality manipulation resistance or not but reality manipulation its already confirmed
 
Someone made a more organized CRT about this so this should just be closed since this one isn't actually going anywhere
 
ALittleNarutoFanBoy said:
No, we don't need extra feats.

Because momoshiki talks about Ada's ability to have the power to create the universe, the codes of the universe and so on.

Let's not take it as the universe, take it as the world in the context of "sekai". Still, this power must be able to create something.

Creation, Universe Creation and so on, this power of creation. But none of this can change the past or interfere with memories.

Reality Warping is the only one that provides all the data we have, and it fits perfectly. There's enough context to support it.
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I'm a Boruto/Naruto supporter bro, and I know Omnimpotence it's reality manipulation.

I'm just resisting the urge to go all out on an internet wanking spree.

However, I need ammo for that. It's why I'm waiting for Omnipotence to show just the bare minimum of affecting even just a piece of paper.
 
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