(GRACE) Chimp vs Cheetah

[H3110l12345I20]

Conditions: SBA, a western Chimp that weighs 47 kg & is equal to the weight of a Cheetah. Chimp has the first grapple on the Cheetah.

Cheetah: 8, (DarlingAurora, Noneless21, Jackythejack, Artorimachi_Meteoraft, Peppersalt43, TheKillerYT, RanaProGamer, Doggo)

Chimp: 0, ()

Incon: 0, ()

Spoiler: Minor Chimp Bite Calc 2 put in blog

Peak bite force of a human is 1109 N or 1317 N & are at least 40% more efficient than a Chimp. x1.4 = ((1109+1317)/2) -> x = ((1109+1317)/2)/1.4 = 866.4285714 N or 194.7808746 lbf. weak.

I know that a thread like this has been done a long time ago, but hasn't been concluded. I like taking threads into my own hands since I can always give the slight advantage to the opponent who would less likely win in an SBA match.

 

[Noneless21]

Chimp's way more aggresive and have tendency to aim the vital spot, alongside a nonexistent neck that's even harder for Cheetah to take the chimp down

Honestly Chimp win this more than not

 

[DarlingAurora]

Chimp's way more aggresive and have tendency to aim the vital spot, alongside a nonexistent neck that's even harder for Cheetah to take the chimp down

Honestly Chimp win this more than not

72 Kg Cheetah is too much.. It will easily hunt the Chimp..

I think a Cheetah which weighs like 46 or 54 Kg..
Based on this: (46+159)/2 = 102.5/2.205 = 46.485260771 Kg

 

[H3110l12345I20]

72 Kg Cheetah is too much.. It will easily hunt the Chimp..

Exactly. Though the reason why I high balled the Cheetah is due to the superior LS from the chimp pound-by-pound. Will it even get a chance to even use it’s LS tho? Cheetah seems skilled.

Plus, what does the Cheetah do here when hunting Chimps? What would a chimp likely do in this fight?

 

[DarlingAurora]

Exactly. Though the reason why I high balled the Cheetah is due to the superior LS from the chimp pound-by-pound. Will it even get a chance to even use it’s LS tho? Cheetah seems skilled.

Plus, what does the Cheetah do here when hunting Chimps? What would a chimp likely do in this fight?

Cheetah still has claws, strong bite & hunts antelope. LS is only for pulling & Cheetahs still has experience with hunting animals while Chimps not, but 72 Kg is almost double the size of the Chimp, is too much advantage.. A cheetah with that size is 10-A for sure.

Chimps can fight & are agressive but you need to put a more equal weight of these two like average, large cat & average chimp always wins the first, average mass is more fairer and both have advantages too, so that.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Cheetah still has claws, strong bite & hunts antelope. LS is only for pulling & Cheetahs still has experience with hunting animals while Chimps not, but 72 Kg is almost double the size of the Chimp, is too much advantage.. A cheetah with that size is 10-A for sure.

Chimps can fight & are agressive but you need to put a more equal weight of these two like average, large cat & average chimp always wins the first, average mass is more fairer and both have advantages too, so that.

K. I'll equalize weight, along with other changes. Though isn't the cheetah light in weight & the chimp stronger pound-by-pound?

 

[DarlingAurora]

K. I'll equalize weight, along with other changes. Though isn't the cheetah light in weight & the chimp stronger pound-by-pound?

1 Kg of advantage isn't that "light".

Chimps still has no experience with these & Cheetah are still hunters, but I'm going to make an argument later.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

1 Kg of advantage isn't that "light".

Chimps still has no experience with these & Cheetah are still hunters, but I'm going to make an argument later.

I think I meant the weak in comparison to other predators on the Cheetah's profile, but ok.

 

[DarlingAurora]

I think I meant the weak in comparison to other predators on the Cheetah's profile, but ok.

They are weak in comparison with other predators, but still hunts 10-A animals.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

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[DarlingAurora]

Okay, let's settle this.

Size Comparison

Chimpanzee Advantages

• Strength: They have more muscle fiber while Cheetahs are skinny af.
• Anatomy: These apes have much more robustness in sheer bones.
• Teeth: Chimps canines are much bigger than those of the feline & much bigger skull.
• Temperament: Some chimps are very agressive and one chimp named "Travis";
  Spoiler: NSFW

  That monke ripped off a woman face.

Cheetah Advantages

• Speed: They accelerate very quickly.
• Claws: Though, their claws aren't that sharp.
• Size: Cheetah are much bigger than chimps in body length but same weight.
• Hunting Experience: Cheetahs have much more killer instinct than Chimps, which these can get easily scared by seeing a "big cat".

Conclusion

• Okay, let's see.. Chimps are much stronger than the Cheetah, but they can easily be scared by looking at the feline (since leopardess are common chimps predators), so that is one disadvantage for the ape. Other than that, they don't have much experience in attacking other animals of their size, but weak ones. Cheetah can hunt antelope, ungulates, impala, gazelles and any animal up to 60 kg. So, I don't think that a Chimp is even capable of hunting a impala or something like that, so this is more an advantage for the Cheetah than other. But anyways, even with Chimps agressivenes, I don't think that the Chimp is capable of killing a feline like the Cheetah, while this one can easily fight them in wild. Yeah, some Cheetahs are shy but mostly with humans due to their size, but the Chimps is smaller than Cheetah in own body size & here a video of a Cheetah fighting each other. So, I don't think that shyness applies here due to that, and I think that the Cheetah has a little more of advantage over the Chimp due to their killer instinct so I favour the Cheetah but it's very close fight, muscle fiber of Chimps influences here, so anyways. I vote the Cheetah 51/49, very close fight as I say.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Okay, let's settle this.

Size Comparison

Chimpanzee Advantages

• Strength: They have more muscle fiber while Cheetahs are skinny af.
• Anatomy: These apes have much more robustness in sheer bones.
• Teeth: Chimps canines are much bigger than those of the feline & much bigger skull.
• Temperament: Some chimps are very agressive and one chimp named "Travis";
  Spoiler: NSFW

  That monke ripped off a woman face.

Cheetah Advantages

• Speed: They accelerate very quickly.
• Claws: Though, their claws aren't that sharp.
• Size: Cheetah are much bigger than chimps in body length but same weight.
• Hunting Experience: Cheetahs have much more killer instinct than Chimps, which these can get easily scared by seeing a "big cat".

Conclusion

• Okay, let's see.. Chimps are much stronger than the Cheetah, but they can easily be scared by looking at the feline (since leopardess are common chimps predators), so that is one disadvantage for the ape. Other than that, they don't have much experience in attacking other animals of their size, but weak ones. Cheetah can hunt antelope, ungulates, impala, gazelles and any animal up to 60 kg. So, I don't think that a Chimp is even capable of hunting a impala or something like that, so this is more an advantage for the Cheetah than other. But anyways, even with Chimps agressivenes, I don't think that the Chimp is capable of killing a feline like the Cheetah, while this one can easily fight them in wild. Yeah, some Cheetahs are shy but mostly with humans due to their size, but the Chimps is smaller than Cheetah in own body size & here a video of a Cheetah fighting each other. So, I don't think that shyness applies here due to that, and I think that the Cheetah has a little more of advantage over the Chimp due to their killer instinct so I favour the Cheetah but it's very close fight, muscle fiber of Chimps influences here, so anyways. I vote the Cheetah 51/49, very close fight as I say.

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[Noneless21]

hmm, i guess Cheetah FRA then

 

[H3110l12345I20]

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[Jackythejack]

Cheetah FRA

 

[H3110l12345I20]

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[H3110l12345I20]

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[H3110l12345I20]

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[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Cheetah fra

reject monkey, return to cat

 

[H3110l12345I20]

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[Peppersalt43]

Cheater FRA

 

[Peppersalt43]

You should also add the tags for the used profiles and verses of this match

 

[H3110l12345I20]

You should also add the tags for the used profiles and verses of this match

K.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

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[Flashlight237]

Sorry, but an argument of large size=automatic win in RL animal debates is something that falls flat really hard and really fast.

For starters, cheetahs are the fastest, yes, but they can get taken down easily by other animals in Africa, including ostriches, in a 1v1, hence the need to go for an ambush.

As for chimpanzees, chimpanzees are highly intelligent creatures that, despite being smaller than humans, are 1.5x stronger generally speaking, and a man with a knife and a shovel couldn't stop a chimpanzee!: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travis_(chimpanzee)

And guess what? That same chimpanzee, with STAB WOUNDS FROM A KNIFE, broke through a car window!

And this is not accounting for their intelligence. Chimpanzees have crafted and used spears as weapons and as a result OVERHUNTED bush babies.

If an injured chimpanzee can take knife wounds (bear in mind that even ordinary steak knives can go deeper than a cheetah's claws and teeth) and smash through a car window afterwards and survive four bullet wounds before basically choosing a place to die, then there's no way in HELL a Cheetah's taking a chimp down without a fight. Sorry, but this is a win for the Chimpanzee.

 

[DarlingAurora]

Sorry, but an argument of large size=automatic win in RL animal debates is something that falls flat really hard and really fast.

Ya, more mass too.

For starters, cheetahs are the fastest, yes, but they can get taken down easily by other animals in Africa, including ostriches, in a 1v1, hence the need to go for an ambush.

Source of Ostrich taking down Cheetah?

As for chimpanzees, chimpanzees are highly intelligent creatures that, despite being smaller than humans, are 1.5x stronger generally speaking, and a man with a knife and a shovel couldn't stop a chimpanzee!: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travis_(chimpanzee)

They killed the chimp though, and the man probably was stressed.

And guess what? That same chimpanzee, with STAB WOUNDS FROM A KNIFE, broke through a car window!

Cool, just 1.5x stronger than human as you say.

And this is not accounting for their intelligence. Chimpanzees have crafted and used spears as weapons and as a result OVERHUNTED bush babies.

Cool, I don't see any chimp hunting a leopard more than being meal for then.

If an injured chimpanzee can take knife wounds (bear in mind that even ordinary steak knives can go deeper than a cheetah's claws and teeth) and smash through a car window afterwards and survive four bullet wounds before basically choosing a place to die, then there's no way in HELL a Cheetah's taking a chimp down without a fight. Sorry, but this is a win for the Chimpanzee.

Kinda, you are thinking that a Cheetah is some fragile big cat while the Chimp is a super-monke?

Just because the Chimp can take some wounds don't prove nothing, Cheetah can still tank attacks from big animals and survive. But I still don't understand this logic, Chimps aren't scared of humans but by own mentally they are going to be think that a much bigger feline would hunt them— Also, window argument doesn't work due to them being just 1.5x times stronger than human, nothing more than that. Small female leopards already hunted chimps & these arguments of shoots are nothing more than stamina, many average humans survived something like that but the difference is that they are much more intelligent than the ape. I want to see an actual source that indicates why the chimp is going to survive a neck bite from the Cheetah due to being to scared of it, as I say felines are common hunters of ape, as much as the gorilla and leopard & clouded leopard x orangutan; size matters as instinct & body mass.

 

[DarlingAurora]

Okay, let's settle this.

Size Comparison

Chimpanzee Advantages

• Strength: They have more muscle fiber while Cheetahs are skinny af.
• Anatomy: These apes have much more robustness in sheer bones.
• Teeth: Chimps canines are much bigger than those of the feline & much bigger skull.
• Temperament: Some chimps are very agressive and one chimp named "Travis";
  Spoiler: NSFW

  That monke ripped off a woman face.

Cheetah Advantages

• Speed: They accelerate very quickly.
• Claws: Though, their claws aren't that sharp.
• Size: Cheetah are much bigger than chimps in body length but same weight.
• Hunting Experience: Cheetahs have much more killer instinct than Chimps, which these can get easily scared by seeing a "big cat".

Conclusion

• Okay, let's see.. Chimps are much stronger than the Cheetah, but they can easily be scared by looking at the feline (since leopardess are common chimps predators), so that is one disadvantage for the ape. Other than that, they don't have much experience in attacking other animals of their size, but weak ones. Cheetah can hunt antelope, ungulates, impala, gazelles and any animal up to 60 kg. So, I don't think that a Chimp is even capable of hunting a impala or something like that, so this is more an advantage for the Cheetah than other. But anyways, even with Chimps agressivenes, I don't think that the Chimp is capable of killing a feline like the Cheetah, while this one can easily fight them in wild. Yeah, some Cheetahs are shy but mostly with humans due to their size, but the Chimps is smaller than Cheetah in own body size & here a video of a Cheetah fighting each other. So, I don't think that shyness applies here due to that, and I think that the Cheetah has a little more of advantage over the Chimp due to their killer instinct so I favour the Cheetah but it's very close fight, muscle fiber of Chimps influences here, so anyways. I vote the Cheetah 51/49, very close fight as I say.

I already put many arguments on favour of both animals, idk why ya are saying "people just call large mass automatic win".

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Sorry, but an argument of large size=automatic win in RL animal debates is something that falls flat really hard and really fast.

For starters, cheetahs are the fastest, yes, but they can get taken down easily by other animals in Africa, including ostriches, in a 1v1, hence the need to go for an ambush.

As for chimpanzees, chimpanzees are highly intelligent creatures that, despite being smaller than humans, are 1.5x stronger generally speaking, and a man with a knife and a shovel couldn't stop a chimpanzee!: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travis_(chimpanzee)

And guess what? That same chimpanzee, with STAB WOUNDS FROM A KNIFE, broke through a car window!

And this is not accounting for their intelligence. Chimpanzees have crafted and used spears as weapons and as a result OVERHUNTED bush babies.

If an injured chimpanzee can take knife wounds (bear in mind that even ordinary steak knives can go deeper than a cheetah's claws and teeth) and smash through a car window afterwards and survive four bullet wounds before basically choosing a place to die, then there's no way in HELL a Cheetah's taking a chimp down without a fight. Sorry, but this is a win for the Chimpanzee.

? Size matters like how quality & quantity of a thing matters.

You can have a child with hax for example, but without hax they're just 10-C. I thought being bigger usually having more strength potential was common sense. It's even acknowledged that humans bigger than others are stronger than their smaller counterparts in street fights.

We don't make Peregrine Falcons 9-C because they usually prey on smaller animals, they're not Tigers that literally solo things 6 times heavier than themselves from quality tactics.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Ya, more mass too.

Source of Ostrich taking down Cheetah?

They killed the chimp though, and the man probably was stressed.

Cool, just 1.5x stronger than human as you say.

Cool, I don't see any chimp hunting a leopard more than being meal for then.

Kinda, you are thinking that a Cheetah is some fragile big cat while the Chimp is a super-monke?

Just because the Chimp can take some wounds don't prove nothing, Cheetah can still tank attacks from big animals and survive. But I still don't understand this logic, Chimps aren't scared of humans but by own mentally they are going to be think that a much bigger feline would hunt them— Also, window argument doesn't work due to them being just 1.5x times stronger than human, nothing more than that. Small female leopards already hunted chimps & these arguments of shoots are nothing more than stamina, many average humans survived something like that but the difference is that they are much more intelligent than the ape. I want to see an actual source that indicates why the chimp is going to survive a neck bite from the Cheetah due to being to scared of it, as I say felines are common hunters of ape, as much as the gorilla and leopard & clouded leopard x orangutan; size matters as instinct & body mass.

@MonkeyOfLife will get his revenge aurora

 

[DarlingAurora]

@MonkeyOfLife will get his revenge aurora

 

[Flashlight237]

size matters as instinct & body mass.

No it doesn't. Since you went out of your way to bring up a leopard, leopards are stronger than a cheetah and don't even have any of the characteristics that make cheetahs trash. The largest prey killed by a leopard is a 900 kg eland and the largest a leopard had gotten is 96 kg. Figures are here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopard The source is listed in Wikipedia's article on the leopard as such: "Sunquist, M. E. & Sunquist, F. (2002). "Leopard Panthera pardus". Wild Cats of the World. Chicago: University of Chicago Press. pp. 318–342. ISBN 978-0-226-77999-7." Right from a university!

If a 96 kg cat can kill a 900 kg antelope-like creature, then SIZE DOESN'T MATTER. If anything, the physical attributes and abilities of a creature do. Leopards and lions, as well as cats far away from the cheetah like the jaguar and tiger are built for strength, with the only things holding them up are other animals built for strength within their native environments. Cheetahs are built for speed and literally nothing else and there are countless videos on Youtube alone showing and doubling down how trash cheetahs are. Creatures built for strength have regularly ran cheetahs off of kills, and even a trashy video compilation shows that a single ostrich can and had run off a lone cheetah, and ostriches aren't exactly an animal I'd call strong in the same way leopards are:


You need TWO cheetahs to get those things to successfully take down a single ostrich, and the coloration of the plumage shows that it was a female (which averages at 100 kg) they had to deal with. That's 50 kg per cheetah, and they were struggling to take the ostrich down.

A chimpanzee weighing 40 to 70 kg, assuming a human is strong enough to lift his own weight, would have a strength of 60 to 105 kg based their strength of 1.5x that of a human, higher than the 50 kg lifting strength of a cheetah (and cheetahs have a median weight of 46.5 kg!).

 

[DarlingAurora]

No it doesn't. Since you went out of your way to bring up a leopard, leopards are stronger than a cheetah and don't even have any of the characteristics that make cheetahs trash. The largest prey killed by a leopard is a 900 kg eland and the largest a leopard had gotten is 96 kg. Figures are here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopard The source is listed in Wikipedia's article on the leopard as such: "Sunquist, M. E. & Sunquist, F. (2002). "Leopard Panthera pardus". Wild Cats of the World. Chicago: University of Chicago Press. pp. 318–342. ISBN 978-0-226-77999-7." Right from a university!

Cool, I say female leopards and not male ones, unless you think that Cheetah are weaker than 30 kg cape leopards.

If a 96 kg cat can kill a 900 kg antelope-like creature, then SIZE DOESN'T MATTER.

Really? Size matters depending on some context, but antelopes are killed due to neck bite, and they don't defend themselves at all. Btw, it was just some luck more than that, jaguar-sized leopards killing antelopes are not common, anyways.

If anything, the physical attributes and abilities of a creature do. Leopards and lions, as well as cats far away from the cheetah like the jaguar and tiger are built for strength, with the only things holding them up are other animals built for strength within their native environments.

And? I mean, the feline doesn't need to be very strong to take down the chimp, you already prove it with the antelope-thing, a neck bite is the end for the same-sized monke.

Cheetahs are built for speed and literally nothing else

uhm? I don't think that they are built just for speed..

They can do these things; Prove that they are not really weak too.
And cheetah can hunts even camels;

Spoiler: NSFW IMAGE

with a neck bite.

and there are countless videos on Youtube alone showing and doubling down how trash cheetahs are.

Uh-

Creatures built for strength have regularly ran cheetahs off of kills, and even a trashy video compilation shows that a single ostrich can and had run off a lone cheetah, and ostriches aren't exactly an animal I'd call strong in the same way leopards are

They are still felines, maybe weak but they claws aren't weak as canides ones.

These claws are much better than any body weapon that chimps have, these only have sharp teeth. More than that are much stronger than Cheetah but they still are going to be scared of the feline due to their instinct.

Cheetah claws are weak compared with others felines, but look at this:

Ya, I think that you are underestimating the cheetah..

You need TWO cheetahs to get those things to successfully take down a single ostrich

Cool, I don't think that a Chimpanzee is going to kill an ostrich, these can literally one-shot an human so

, and the coloration of the plumage shows that it was a female (which averages at 100 kg) they had to deal with. That's 50 kg per cheetah, and they were struggling to take the ostrich down.

Female cheetah killing an ostrich, even floppa (caracals) can do it (100 kg ostrich, while Caracal weighs 13.1 kg at average).

A chimpanzee weighing 40 to 70 kg

That's only for the Central chimpanzees (largest chimp subspecies), which averages 59.7 kg; but ya that isn't fair to compare between these both animals.. like, we can also use the largest Cheetah species, since central chimps are the largest of their subspecies; Is fine as H3 put.

, assuming a human is strong enough to lift his own weight, would have a strength of 60 to 105 kg based their strength of 1.5x that of a human, higher than the 50 kg lifting strength of a cheetah

Western Chimps weighs 47 Kg as the OP marks, so 47*1.5 = 70.5 Kg, higher than Cheetah for sure.

(and cheetahs have a median weight of 46.5 kg!).

Nah, Cheetah has advantage for sure.

Chimp: 103.5 lbs for males
Cheetah: 119.05 lbs for males

Pretty sure that we are using males, not averages at all.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

 

[DarlingAurora]

I thought it was a cute monke ;w;

 

[Flashlight237]

And by the way, we got evidence of chimps murking gorillas:


At the fairest where we split the outcome evenly, that's 6 chimps per gorilla, and 6 chimps against a silverback gorilla and chimps surviving surviving attacks and winning? Yeah, I'm not saying chimps are super-apes, I'm saying I'm afraid chimps might be!

 

[ShionAH]

Cheetah runs away and wins FRA

 

[RanaProGamer]

Monke loses FRA

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Can’t wait for @MonkeyOfLife to descend from the sky and brutally murder the cheetah for what he’s done