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It seems it was her doing as she was standing behind the landscape and Ichibei was at the Reiokyu
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Squad 007 Revisions
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Ah ok
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Where was it directly stated just asking
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The scan does not work by the way.
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What's your evaluation of the thread in its totality?.
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I’d say it’d really make more sense to affiliate Senjumaru with the landscape especially because of her art of craftsmanship
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To be fair, the provided scan didn't work so to that user, it hasn't been proven yet
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This thread is aboutta hit 60 messages and none of the mods who've commented on this thread has evaluated it.
What y'all mfs doing bruh
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What y'all mfs doing bruh
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From what I can tell, the real Soul King's Palace was hidden by Ichibe, but the illusion of the fake Soul King's Palace could have been created by Senjumaru.
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I'm trying my best bruhThis thread is aboutta hit 60 messages and none of the mods who've commented on this thread has evaluated it.
What y'all mfs doing bruh
Ion even know what abilities this grants even If i assumed Senjumaru did it.
It's not really an illusion like that
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It would be a type of Illusion Creation.
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The majority of the abilities look okay, I'm just neutral on the Plot stuff for now. Will need to consider it and get more input from people.
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I disagree with this. No metafictional elements.
Edit: How did I not see the ability while reading? Lol.
Edit: Again, ok maybe it could be argued, but I think this has been covered in his CM or?
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I don't see how Conceptual Manipulation would allow you to directly interact with the speech bubbles of a manga?
That seems pretty clear-cut Plot Manipulation imo, could be wrong though since i'm not super knowledgeable about Plot Manipulation.
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Manipulating the text of the manga is def limited plot manip, as that falls under manipulating the writing to change what characters think/how they act/what they say/etc.
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I am not super opposed with the ability addition either, specially because the work of the series is heavily relied on visual rather contextual such as light novels.
But also in other side, it looks like text manipulation for me rather plot manipulation, as he is not manipulating the plot that governs reality.
But also in other side, it looks like text manipulation for me rather plot manipulation, as he is not manipulating the plot that governs reality.
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It does affect reality though? like after Ichibe inked out Yhwach's sword no one could remember the name of said sword, not even Yhwach himself, samething with Ikomikdomoe, no one remembered his name after it was inked out of existence by Ichibe, not even Ikomikdomoe himself.
That shows (to me at least) that he effects a specific portion of reality after he inks out someone's name, which is why it's limited rather than a full rating, since it only affects a specific section of reality rather than in its totality.
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The ability is related to his conceptual manipulation, so it should be “Ability + CM1” rather separate. This is what I meant, and apologies for confusion.
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The problem is, there is no metafictional elements regarding this, so it is simply CM1 + text manipulation. Text manipulation also acts as this but without mentioning the conditions of plot manipulation.
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I believe you mean CM2?, as that's what Ichibe's Conceptual Manipulation currently scales to.
Do you need an exact statement that metafictional elements are at play, or are feats which imply such okay as well?.
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I guess. Alright, sorry for my poor memory (I heard someone said CM 1 actually, but I could be wrong)
Both would work, tho. As long as metafictional elements are at play or feats which imply such that, would work, otherwise this is text manipulation!
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Alright.
Then i would say that manipulating a speech bubble, which is used to express the plot of one's story through vocalization would be considered as something metafictional, and manipulating it would require a certain level of Plot Manipulation to directly effect, change or even interact with.
Given Ichibe's feat i'd believe he would fall under a limited form of Plot Manipulation given the evidence. Even if it's through Text Manipulation i would still consider it as Plot Manipulation, as one can have Plot Manipulation via Text Manipulation as explained on the Text Manipulation page itself.
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The issue is that our instance fits perfectly under text manipulation type 1.
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I believe we're looking at two entirely different feats?
"Type 1" (Text Manipulation doesn't even have types) is "The materialization of words or symbols - such as the burning of anything after writing of the word "fire". The most obvious example can be magical runes"
Ichibe isn't doing this, he's inking out the name of one's being, causing it to be removed even from the speech bubbles. This is entirely different from writing things like "fire" and causing something to be ingratiated.
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i'd say it would be text manip type 5 as it's linked to plot manip, but thats just me
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Burning in this context means erasing it. Ichibe erased a name from its existence using ink, this is text manipulation. Also, @Deceived3596, you need metafictional elements regardless of this, the interpretation of the context can't be used for plot manipulation.
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I'm not disagreeing with you that this could be Text Manipulation, i'm saying the specific type you brought up isn't applicable to what Ichibe did. Which type exactly would this fall under? because from what i'm reading the only "type" which Ichibe would fall under is the 5th type, which specifically talks about Reality Warping and Plot Manipulation.
I already explained the "metafictional" elements in this situation here.
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May I see the scans that support this? Because the one in the OP does not have any metafictional elements at all. Also, type 5 needs metafictional elements if you want to include plot manipulation, so you can get both abilities.
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