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recalculation debunk one piece ftl+

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EndlessPheonix750

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So literally in this thread, TioKill didn't use Angsize + searching of the light diameter to know the TRUE distance of the light
TioKill only use pixel scalling that got 300 px, well it isn't that acurate. Afterall it seem TioKill didn't use Pythagoras, that makes not accurately enough.


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And yes, the pixel scalling of the Kizaru's Collar is NOT accurate, it should have been 50 px, it's because it's not full enough, the green line to scale the collar size, as can you can see there.
And Why would you need to calc it into 35 degrees? it's to PUSHY to used it, afterall Edward move it 90 degrees.

So yeah, this is the recalc:
For the forearm and the bisento i will use another scan / picture, more accurate

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  • WB Body Height: 6.66 m | 760 px
  • WB Forearm: 1.1302095827 m | 128.972865363 px
  • Bisento Edge: 3.505263156 m | 400 px


Well, in Pixel Scalling which was done by TioKill based on the movement of the light, he made a mistake by not using Pythagoras and he didn't use angsize + looking for the diameter of the light which made his calculations inaccurate.

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Panel Height: 720 px
Kizaru Collar Height: 0.11796875 m | 25 px
Laser Diameter 1: 0.33801701032 m | 143.265487819 px
Laser Diameter 2: 0.33801701032 m | 237.118114028 px
Distance: 0.72835553284 m | 308.706980809 px

Angsize:
LD1: 0.33801701032 *720/[143.265487819 *2*tan(70deg/2)] = 1.21303321322 meter

LD2: 0.33801701032 *720/[237.118114028 *2*tan(70deg/2)] = 0.73290813628 meter

Distance: √(0.72835553284 ^2+(1.21303321322-0.73290813628)^2) = 0.87236567546 meter, so the true distance is 0.8.. not 0.9...

So for the movement, just add:
1.1302095827 + 3.505263156 = 4.6354727387 meters

4.6354727387 x 35 deg = 2.83164916 meter


Now For The Speed:
2.83164916*299792458/0.87236567546 = 973109196.923 m/s or 3.245943c.

Now the main problem is TioKill use 35 degree as the movement WB Swing his bisento
But no, such a too super low, very pushy.

It's literally 90 degree, so

90 deg x 4.6354727387 = 7.28138355 meter

7.28138355 *299792458/0.87236567546 = 2502280790.61 m/s or 8.34671c
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Agree:
Disagree:
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EndlessPheonix750 said:
Why? You'll just closed you eyes and didn't see the flaws that tiokills made in his debunking Calculation and you just agree-in because "Fikri" calculate it FTL+ 15.8c?
Cmon KT, using you method it's Legit FTL+
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Part of your argument is "it's too low, 90º".

The only thing your calc really implements is "change 35º to 90º", that pythagoreas that I used barely changed the result when the lasers are damn near next to each other.

Like I'm actually punching the air to stop myself from closing this out of spite, this thread is just "raise it back up"

And you want it to be FTL+ so bad which is why you keep calcing it to be higher and why you put ftl+ in the title, when the value is just higher into FTL
 
KingTempest said:
Part of your argument is "it's too low, 90º".

The only thing your calc really implements is "change 35º to 90º", that pythagoreas that I used barely changed the result when the lasers are damn near next to each other.

Like I'm actually punching the air to stop myself from closing this out of spite, this thread is just "raise it back up"

And you want it to be FTL+ so bad which is why you keep calcing it to be higher and why you put ftl+ in the title, when the value is just higher into FTL
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Nope, i didn't want this DeadBeard to be FTL+, but the fact this is the "truth" the reason why it only getting 8c FTL it's because the laser displacement, instead of this, yours is better. I already calc with your method, FTL+, no wank at all, IF using 35° still FTL+

In this Thread i'm just recalc tiokill's debunking Calculation because the flaws that Tiokills made. It's very imposing to make the 90° become 35°.

AND how edward's Arm didn't moved? It literally Does. IN EVERY single Frame, Edward Moved 90 Degrees with his all arm movement.
 
EndlessPheonix750 said:
Nope, i didn't want this DeadBeard to be FTL+, but the fact this is the "truth" the reason why it only getting 8c FTL it's because the laser displacement, instead of this, yours is better. I already calc with your method, FTL+, no wank at all, IF using 35° still FTL+
EndlessPheonix750 said:
Now For The Speed:
2.83164916*299792458/0.87236567546 = 973109196.923 m/s or 3.245943c.

Now the main problem is TioKill use 35 degree as the movement WB Swing his bisento
But no, such a too super low, very pushy.

It's literally 90 degree, so

90 deg x 4.6354727387 = 7.28138355 meter

7.28138355 *299792458/0.87236567546 = 2502280790.61 m/s or 8.34671c
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Like what
 
EndlessPheonix750 said:
How is that 35°? The thing that WhiteBeard didn't move, was his Forearm, In every single frame the thing that it moved was his Arm, not his Forearm. And it's Legit 90°
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HUH?

His right arm is slightly below his right shoulder in the first frame, then the same arm is a few dozen centimeters before being in front of the right side of his chest. That is in no universe, a 90° angular movement - aka, a quarter of a circle. You can argue 45° (an eighth of a circle), sure, but a full-quarter is absurd.
 
TioKill said:
HUH?

His right arm is slightly below his right shoulder in the first frame, then the same arm is a few dozen centimeters before being in front of the right side of his chest. That is in no universe, a 90° angular movement - aka, a quarter of a circle. You can argue 45° (an eighth of a circle), sure, but a full-quarter is absurd.
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Seems legit, 90 degrees.
 
My arguments is not just making correction of TioKill's Debunking calc that had flaws, but i'm defending Tapuang's and Fikri's and also my Calculation about Whitebeard being FTL+. The 90 degrees movement are legit, nothing need to go on to debate. Go Tag other CGM to evaluate this, or something
 
TioKill said:
Literally a different frame than the one I used. Circus is calling, I think it's for you.
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yes, different, more accurate. You literally didn't search for the Light Diameter, and there's no angsize afterall. Go Call or tag some CGM, to evaluate this please. There's no point if i and you and KT just insult each other for being a clown. Thank You
 
EndlessPheonix750 said:
yes, different, more accurate. You literally didn't search for the Light Diameter, and there's no angsize afterall. Go Call or tag some CGM, to evaluate this please. There's no point if i and you and KT just insult each other for being a clown. Thank You
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If it's a different frame, then you can't compare WB's movement with the laser's, you absolute goof.

KingTempest said:
smh
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Literally Ad Infinitum, this is the same debate you had earlier. CLOSE THIS PLEASE-
 
TioKill said:
If it's a different frame, then you can't compare WB's movement with the laser's, you absolute goof.


Literally Ad Infinitum, this is the same debate you had earlier. CLOSE THIS PLEASE-
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what the hell? who the heck compare edward's movement with the freaking lasers? that's the literally edward's movement.
You tell people to close this some shit thread? Oh cmon, i'm bringing this thing to get some freaking discussed. This ain't the same debate the KT got last week with Tapuang.
 
go tag someone that could evalute this shit, idc if this got rejected or some. Why the heck Whitebeard's Profile still get FTL+ Rating if the 2c calculation got accepted? this is nonsense
 
Alright, waiting for tempest and tio. I will put onward of my arguments from this topic, and other. What i mean is the FTL+ Whitebeard
First of all we know the 35 degree application into this calc is too forcing..
its not about the frame by frame bla bla, different that, this, thus, bruh.

90 degrees it was the maximul and the only reasonable movement as can you can see with your naked eye.
proof: https://imgur.com/a/8VpF1zn

And yes in my calculation, the laser i calc is the same as KT's which means the laser is not displaced by the mr dead beard swing ;0
And my argument is that WB is FTL+ and should scaled to other OP FTL rating char to updated to FTL+ rating.

probs i'll get hated because im gonna SEND whole of my calc shit.
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  • WB’s Body Height: 6.66 m | 760 px
  • WB’s Arm Length: 2.40986842105 m | 275 px
  • WB’s Bisento Edge’s: 3.50526315789 m | 400 px
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  • Kizaru’s Body Height: 3.02 m | 640 px
  • Kizaru’s Collar Height: 0.11796875 m | 25 px

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Panel Height: 720 px
Kizaru Collar Height: 0.11796875 m | 50 px
Laser Diameter 1: 39.0512483795 px | 0.09213653914 m
Laser Diameter 2: 61.0327780787 px | 0.09213653914 m
Distance: 150 px | 0.35390625 m

Angsize
• Light Diameter 1: 0.09213653914*720/[39.0512483795*2*tan(70deg/2)] = 1.21303321316 meter

• Light Diameter 2: 0.09213653914*720/[61.0327780787 *2*tan(70deg/2)] = 0.77614787972 meter

Distance
√ (0.35390625^2+(1.21303321316-0.77614787972)^2) = 0.562244100337 meter
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2.40986842105 meter + 3.50526315789 meter = 5.91513158 meter
• 5.91513158 x 90 degree = 9.29146696 Meter

9.29146696*299792458/0.562244100337 = 4954274694.38 m/s or 16.525682c (FTL+)

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It's just so simple, FTL+ for this old dead beard and the other ftl op char rating, bla bla bla

If you told me to upload this on my userblog, i already did. just go check to it
 
EndlessPheonix750 said:
Alright, waiting for tempest and tio. I will put onward of my arguments from this topic, and other. What i mean is the FTL+ Whitebeard
First of all we know the 35 degree application into this calc is too forcing..
its not about the frame by frame bla bla, different that, this, thus, bruh.

90 degrees it was the maximul and the only reasonable movement as can you can see with your naked eye.
proof: https://imgur.com/a/8VpF1zn

And yes in my calculation, the laser i calc is the same as KT's which means the laser is not displaced by the mr dead beard swing ;0
And my argument is that WB is FTL+ and should scaled to other OP FTL rating char to updated to FTL+ rating.

probs i'll get hated because im gonna SEND whole of my calc shit.
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5Cp2Ucf.png

  • WB’s Body Height: 6.66 m | 760 px
  • WB’s Arm Length: 2.40986842105 m | 275 px
  • WB’s Bisento Edge’s: 3.50526315789 m | 400 px
NEBAJfb.png

  • Kizaru’s Body Height: 3.02 m | 640 px
  • Kizaru’s Collar Height: 0.11796875 m | 25 px

VbwJ4js.png

Panel Height: 720 px
Kizaru Collar Height: 0.11796875 m | 50 px
Laser Diameter 1: 39.0512483795 px | 0.09213653914 m
Laser Diameter 2: 61.0327780787 px | 0.09213653914 m
Distance: 150 px | 0.35390625 m

Angsize
• Light Diameter 1: 0.09213653914*720/[39.0512483795*2*tan(70deg/2)] = 1.21303321316 meter

• Light Diameter 2: 0.09213653914*720/[61.0327780787 *2*tan(70deg/2)] = 0.77614787972 meter

Distance
√ (0.35390625^2+(1.21303321316-0.77614787972)^2) = 0.562244100337 meter
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2.40986842105 meter + 3.50526315789 meter = 5.91513158 meter
• 5.91513158 x 90 degree = 9.29146696 Meter

9.29146696*299792458/0.562244100337 = 4954274694.38 m/s or 16.525682c (FTL+)

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It's just so simple, FTL+ for this old dead beard and the other ftl op char rating, bla bla bla

If you told me to upload this on my userblog, i already did. just go check to it
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This is like literally the best option. No need to argue about. How about someone could tag Some of CGM members? like dark cariorca or KLOL to evaluate, well dark cariorca have done it in my userblog so yeah. Need again some evaluating and some discussion about this whole lmao thing
 
Kind of tired seeing this topic over & over again, but yeah. The FTL+ calc is probably the most accurate calc you can get out of this feat, since i'm still confused on why you used Shirohige's forearm instead rather than his arm since i studied the feat frame by frame and his forearm barely moved an inch.

Proof here

And as you can clearly see, his forearm wasn't the one who did most of the swinging. But it was mostly his arm and his shoulders, so just like the original calc. Using his arm is the better option here.

Continuing with the 35° movement, this also confused me since Tempest agreed that the movement was 90° on the previous thread but then he agreed that 35° is the movement? i don't really know why you suddenly used 35° for this calc. And so i guessed it's because you used his forearm to find the distance he moved, but just like i previously explained the thing who did most of the swinging was his arm so the movement should still be 90°.

Lastly for the laser that you used, i'm somewhat sure that you still remembered the illustration that i gave to you from that previous thread. And you yourself said that the illustration is pretty accurate, and so here's the problem with the laser you used. The laser that you used is closer to our POV just like i said previously, and the reason being why this is inaccurate is not just because Kizaru's collar being further away from the laser. But it's because the distance the laser moved would theoretically look further than it should be originally, and that's why the laser you used seems to travel further than the other lasers. Because the laser is closer to OUR point of view.

So my point still stands. The FTL+ Calculation is the most accurate calc you can get out of this feat, since its looks abt fine mathematically aswell.
 
People are actually just claiming the most insane shit to the point where they can't understand one thing.

Dread said:
Why would this be closed, honestly the OP arguments are actually convincing, I am interested to know the results.
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And you're not helping. Get out, you're literally here just to support anyone opposing me while being utterly ignorant about the subject at hand, which literally uses arguments we've already debunked.


Again, I used two different frames where Whitebeard did not finish his movement. Yes, the FULL MOVEMENT is 90°, but I used two frames in the middle of the full movement, if you argue the full movement is 90°, then you can't possibly claim the frames I used are 90° as well, that's bogus.

And then I compared it to a laser that moved simultaneously with these two frames. Even using Pitagoras it's still 3c, the calc isn't inaccurate. You wanted to use a full swing and compare it to the laser that moved that much before the swing was completed. It's plain incorrect there's no debate.

Also yes, both the 8c, 6c and 3c calcs are accurate, but Kizaru's lasers are shown to have inconsistent speed during all this. Why the hell would we go with the higher result? No, we're not putting the FTL+ back on the profiles. It was already rejected by two staff, and it's Ad Infinitum, I DON'T CARE. It's gonna be closed.
 
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