Kaido is stated to have the "Highest battle power" out of all the yonko. As well as boasting the highest defense due to his scales/haki, like an "iron wall" in Road to Laugh Tale 4.
Kaido seems to fight better in his base. He was getting cut up by the scabbards in zoan then proceeded to wash all of them in base.
No. Skull stated that while Whitebeard was still alive during the Ace novel. Kaido's card also states he's the most powerful Yonko.
Sea quakes are still dura neg vibrations. Kaido eats dura neg for breakfast. Kaido fires Boro breath three times the range of onigashima and his Kaifu's slash across the entirety of the skull dome. Whitebeard has higher DC range but his AP remains the same.
Future Sight is advanced. Kaido, Katakuri, Luffy and Yassop are the only ones shown to have it.
It is when Kaido has shown to be pretty much unscratchable unless you use extremely powerful buso or haoshoku coating or dura neg. Whitebeard is more prone to getting stabbed/shot through than Kaido.
All of that is endurance.
Okay, if titles change this match.
Yet again, the feats are completely irrelevant as i said above, prime garp, whitebeard and roger have literally 0 feats. Whitebeards current calculations are off a weak and old version, so don't see how that's an argument.
Oden fought kaido in both base and dragon form. the combined attack of the scabbards couldn't even hold a candle to oden's attack which he stated in their fight. Saying that Oden got stronger is irrelevant, as whitebeard and roger obviously also got stronger.
"during ace novels" which is an old and out of prime whitebeard... literally proving what i said. what does a statement about him having the same strength and vigor when he was young before his disease crippled him matter? Literally since the beginning when ace joined the whitebeard pirates, whitebeard already had his disease.
That's just durability, but you'd have to prove that the durability negation that was used on him is more potent than the character who's on the same level as the pirate king. Range is irrelevant either way, neither characters fight from a long distance.
So, let me get this straight, you think that prime whitebeard, and roger don't have advanced observation haki, while they have advanced king's haki?
unscratchable by characters that are far weaker than him, and whitebeard was way weaker than what he was in his prime, he even got hit by surprise attacks, which he'd have no issues dodging in his prime.
Kaido did not endure the same level of damage as whitebeard, the attacks the scabbards did, barely did any damage, it just opened up his scar a bit. whitebeard and roger fought for days straight, do you think they didn't eat dozens of durability negating attacks, any top user of haki has access to durability negating attacks, and being able to tank it.
Kaido has the highest battle power, that was confirmed when whitebeard was old and borderline dying from his disease.
I'm not gonna continue arguing with you because again, you're using hype and titles. If you wanna argue by the story that's up to you, but by THE WIKI RULES AND SCALING the results are much more different than you expect.
Big Mom has advanced haoshoku. No one says she got future sight. You either show abilities or you don't have them. Characters can specialize in haki types and not be as good at others after all.
Yes. And Whitebeard takes bullet wounds and stabs from fodder. Kaido tanks Killer's scythes, who's comparable to Zoro, only piercing him via dura neg. Kaido's scales scale to H6A naturally, you just need a higher degree of AP to bypass them. Zoro also couldn't bypass his scales without Enma unleashing his full haki and Zoro's the same guy can parry a Kaifu (another 6A attack) with a single blade, with no effort.
Got stabbed by Inu, slashed by Neko, face cut up by Kawamatsu and Izou, slashed by the 4-way tougen totsuka. Zoro cutting him with tatsumaki, then Ashura. Law GAMMA RADIATED HIS THROAT AND HEART, Luffy constantly attacked his insides with Ryou since their fight started.
The statement covers since he left wano, meaning he's "3 times stronger" than the Buso Oden that clashed with base Primebeard, Oden only stayed with Roger for a year and it's unlikely that he grew that much stronger considering we have no evidence that he fought anyone during that voyage.
The statement about Big Mom and Kaidou growing stronger is in reference to them from Rocks which was 18 years before Kaidou fought Oden. Kaidou was 39 years old when he fought Oden and typically characters are around their prime above the ages of 38 etc (Whitebeard for example). King believed Kaidou was already the "strongest there is" before Kaidou even came to Wano suggesting the Kaidou had potentially reached his peak/prime before even fighting Oden.
Kaidou w/Buso matched Oden w/Buso, Roger w/Buso overpowered Oden w/Buso massively and was still holding back considering he only used one arm and didn't use Koka.
This statement was proven untrue, iirc the ace novels even refer to that version of Whitebeard still being weaker than his Prime. Whitebeard during marineford admits himself that he couldn't remain the strongest forever (age).
Prime Whitebeard does happen to have all of these things.
This was in reference to his "World's Strongest Pirate" title, a title that Kaidou was also stated to have (Seemingly only after Whitebeard had died). Whitebeard's World's Strongest Man title seems to be literal based off what the Ace Novel says about it and the manga, personally I'd argue the title isn't still relevant to Old Whitebeard as despite having the title he was never given an opportunity to lose it & he himself claims he couldn't remain the strongest in Marineford.
I mean, he stayed way longer with Roger than with Whitebeard didn't he? It's safe to say MOST of his growth came from the latter based on duration.
Which doesn't negate the fact that he'd then be stronger than Whitebeard, either by "many times" based on the Oden narration, or at least by a noticeable amount even before his hybrid was in play (since he was clashing with Oden in base)
Does he? He says it's too shallow prior to the last round (pre Gear 5) then acknowledges Luffy as a whole after.
So is the statement wrong, or is it just WB being less HEALTHY but still as strong? You can be at a deteriorative state and still pack the same punch, just not for a long period of time.
Was WB not alive during the Ace novel? Kaido was still considered the strongest "creature" there, just not strongest "pirate" for not living the kind of legendary life Whitebeard had.
No, he stayed with Roger for one year and stayed with Whitebeard for four years; majority of the growth would have been in those four years with Whitebeard where he was acting as an actual combatant and not an adventurer searching for the poneglyphs.
Depends, Base Kaidou w/Buso was equal to Prime Oden w/Buso who's many times stronger than the Buso Oden who clashed with Base Primebeard. It's also implied that Primebeard didn't use his full strength in that clash with Oden considering later Oden states "Strength I'd never experienced" showing Whitebeard fighting.
Definitely the Post-Udon Prison Training Luffy's hao was inferior to both Roger and Primebeard as he called his usage "Crude and Clumsy". Considering Kaidou states "Abilities alone cannot conquer the world" in reference to Gear 5th and that "Haki Transcends All" in reference to Roger "Conquering the world" it does seem to imply Kaidou believes Roger and thus Primebeard are above Gear 5th.
Statement on "He still has his old strength and vigor" doesn't necessarily mean he's equal to his prime self but it was interpreted that way by many, as for the other one stating he hasn't deteriorated it's just plain wrong, whitebeard and all the old gen were stated to have grown weaker.
This doesn't reference his WSC title, only that Kaidou is the strongest in terms of battle power. The reference to Kaidou being the WSC states:
That's not the reason?
I'm saying the "World's Strongest Pirate" title is the only title that was referenced to only be attributed to WB's pirating life. Whitebeard's more common title "The World's Strongest Man" isn't the same as the pirate title and in the Ace Novel it was referenced as this:
Is my memory backwards... Oh yeah nvm, for some reason I thought the Toki relationship/Momo birth were all on Roger's ship.
That I agree with.
If implication on Haki alone is enough to put Roger that high in the chain would Primebeard continue scaling? His World's Strongest hype almost always comes before his World destroying ability being mentioned, not for his haki. And between Roger conquering the world and having the last scrap with WB was a whole year (and we know how certain characters grow even in days/months, let alone a YEAR).
As far as we know Roger and Whitebeard both matched each other's Haki as equals so if Kaidou believes Roger was that high then Whitebeard was able to match it.
Haki growth is a thing. Roger was constantly getting into fights because he wanted to conquer the grandline while Whitebeard actively avoided them for his family's sake.
Whitebeard was stated to have reached his prime at 38 (It will take a while to find the source again but it was stated), Roger is around a similar age and it's implied they both fought sometime before Oden had joined the WB Pirates (Over 30 years ago), they fought in chapter 966 (26 years ago) and lastly they fought sometime before Roger's execution but after Roger had disbanded the Roger Pirates and left the crew (25-24 years ago).
Remake.
I want to know this too. If you find it, quote me as well.
The magazine says sth like that too.
Yep
Found some more statements about that.
Nah It came from the Ace novel which takes place two years before WB's death.
What is the page or can you please send it. I need it for a debate. I know in the ace novel manga version it was implied that he's grown weaker.
I'll look for it soon
Whitebeard: 7 (Archinord, HellScream, Eminiteable, the Monkeman, DBZMLP, Trax, Shmeaty)
I remember in the heart, but when did Law aim that move in the throat? I'm suprised you didn't mention the Injection Shot to the neck, a move that hits vital points & made some as resilient as Doffy kneel while Kaido counterattacked immediately.
Does Trax count? He didn't give any reasoning nor say FRA.
Well you can question on his wall for reasons here
I confused injection shot for gamma knife at the time my b
