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Kratos vs Thor is already a thing buddy.
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Marvel Comics: The Infinite Universe
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Excellence616
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Agreed
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I will update the OP when i have time
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Or their Travel Speed in space is Infinite
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Ye.
And before anyone says this scales only to their travel speed and not combat speed/reactions, you can't do that shit with Infinite Speed and higher when it comes to travelling. Infinity divided by anything is still infinity, and making a rapid turn at infinite speeds would require you to have infinite reactions and combat speeds to be able to cope with that kind of speed. The idea works when it's only the combat speed/reactions being shown to be that fast where the body can't move that fast over long distances, but not the other way around.
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Likely, yes. I actually had to argue extensively with members who in all seriousness wanted to make every single individual universe High 1-B/infinite dimensional, and then use that as the ground bottom for the rest of the scaling...
However, there genuinely do appear to exist a lot of statements about the lower universes being infinite on a basic 3-dimensional level (High 3-A), and some of them seem sufficiently reliable.
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Yeah I'm on board with Infinite speed at peak, but would that follow the 3-C/2-C scaling ?
- Who currently have 2-C At Peak receives a Infinite speed at peak
- Who is just 2-C will be just Infinite
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Only for the best of the best that properly scale to the characters that performed the feat in the first place.
As long as those characters have shown blatant superiority to the characters who have said infinite speed feat in question, sure.
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Zark?
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Well, @The_Impress is very welcome to continue to help out in this community. Her matter-of-fact contributions to our wiki were usually very sensible and of high quality.
I just eventually couldn't continue to protect her over and over and over again when she messed things up for herself with her bad behaviour, so I had to let the others demote her.
I just eventually couldn't continue to protect her over and over and over again when she messed things up for herself with her bad behaviour, so I had to let the others demote her.
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Anyway, the main problem here is if we have to give all herald-level characters literally infinite speed, as that blatantly strongly contradicts what they have ever displayed in combat situations, as far as I am aware.
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Yeah, i think that's definitely going to be a problem, even at their peaks most characters are regularly regarded as faster then light entities rather then literal infinite speed but i will see what others have to say
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I personally see it as exaggerated, Though characters like Thor or silver surfer should qualify but I doubt their combat speed even at peak are "infinite speed".
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Yes, given the sheer inconsistency of Marvel Comics stories regarding the size of its universe, combined with that most claims of infinite size read like hyperbolic flowery language rather than scientific evaluations, I think that we, for example, will have to consider Silver Surfer or Thor travelling across the universe as infinite speed only if the same story in question made it very clear that they travelled an infinite distance, and the same unfortunately likely has to hold true for High 3-A feats for the sake of consistency.
An infinite combat speed Hulk doesn't make any sense, when his greatest travel or combat speed feats without scaling are massively hypersonic or massively hypersonic+, and it doesn't really make any sense for the others either.
An infinite combat speed Hulk doesn't make any sense, when his greatest travel or combat speed feats without scaling are massively hypersonic or massively hypersonic+, and it doesn't really make any sense for the others either.
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I think the matter of infinite sized universes and scaling characters to infinite speed should be evaluated completely seperate. There’s no way infinite speed heralds is remotely consistent, but inconsistent speed ratings has no bearing as to if the universes are infinite.
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Well, given that different stories treat the size differently, maybe we will have to interpret it as that they refer to different things, in the sense that the local big bang-created universe is definitely finite in length, width, and height, but that space itself beyond that is infinite, similarly to how it likely works in our real world?
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That seems entirely feasible to me
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I wonder what thread got completely and utterly rejected, because of that reasoning getting ignored
Eitherway, i definitely agree with different authors and characters having different interpretation of the universe under some circumstances
But, it should be assumed the universe is usually infinite, because of the abundance of evidence that it is
Unless, it is contradicted by inconsistentency or.. Just other contradictions
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The consistency of the feats of High 3-A and Infinite Speed should have no bearing on the size of the universe's space. AT ALL.
Anyway, I think we could make scaling to the feats a bit more scrutinized to make the outlier problem go away by asking for statements including the "entire universe" the word "entire" being the keyword here, since we do have an upto 2-C at peak, so "3-C, possibly High 3-A normally, upto 2-C at peak" shouldn't be egregiously out of order.
Same goes for speed. If they are stated to cover every inch of space in the whole universe, that should also be counted as the only legitimate forms of Infinite Speed feats.
Or if entire realms are crossed through sheer speed, like the Odin/Thor stuff.
Anyway, I think we could make scaling to the feats a bit more scrutinized to make the outlier problem go away by asking for statements including the "entire universe" the word "entire" being the keyword here, since we do have an upto 2-C at peak, so "3-C, possibly High 3-A normally, upto 2-C at peak" shouldn't be egregiously out of order.
Same goes for speed. If they are stated to cover every inch of space in the whole universe, that should also be counted as the only legitimate forms of Infinite Speed feats.
Or if entire realms are crossed through sheer speed, like the Odin/Thor stuff.
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Even reading this itself is ridiculous
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Attack speed however, isn't.
His shockwaves literally covered an infinite number of universes but only affected the 3-D space, which is where his High 3-A AP and 2-A range comes from now LMAO. The shockwaves visibly have a distance component so that's attack speed right outta the gate.
Too bad nobody scales to it tho. Not even Hulk's own combat speed or movement speed would scale to this.
Speaking of which, why is Hulk's range still Planetary?
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That's for his non-peak self. I am asking about his peak self.
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To further clarify, what I mean is that it is perfectly reasonable to interpret the Marvel universe to function in a similar manner to our own.
Meaning, that the part of it that has been populated with stars and planets by its local Big Bang is finite, but that the empty space surrounding it is infinite.
Especially given that it was most recently officially established to be finite and much smaller than previously during the Reckoning War event a few months ago, that it had an edge that I think was called The Crunch that was shown right after the first Annihilation event, that it was explicitly stated to be roughly a trillion lightyears wide at one point (the number we used previously), and that the vast majority of the infinite statements cited above read as unreliable hyperbolic flowery language.
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Would any of you be willing to help out here?
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Because he needs to be connected to a multiversal nexus in order to get access to that kind of range, and it definitely wasn't his own doing under his own power.
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Well, whether or not the stars-filled part of the local universe is infinite will not affect the 2-C ratings anyway.
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I wasn't thinking about the 2-C stuff.
I mean roughly half of the OP's statements for an infinite universe seem valid to me, but Infinite Speed is a massive no-no.
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Yes, but we have also been explicitly shown that the Marvel universe is not infinite in other stories, not just been given empty vague or poetic statements, so I offered a solution to resolve this problem bazed on how our real world universe works.
Also, a big bang that travels at infinite speed doesn't particularly make any sense. Then again, this is a verse that is built on being partially nonsensical.
Also, a big bang that travels at infinite speed doesn't particularly make any sense. Then again, this is a verse that is built on being partially nonsensical.
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I suppose we could treat the universe as “possibly Infinite” since it’s apparently stated to be so numerous times, but we’d also have to account for inconsistencies in regards its size between different writers?
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I see. Okay then.
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Depends on how many inconsistencies exist compared to the number of "infinite" statements exist honestly.
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