She specializes in both Swords and Magic.
Yeah, but not in fists, which is her close-range option from what others said.
It doesn't look like Hruting's attacks have as much range as Byleth's magic, at least according to the profile, so KL will have to get closer if he wants to pull that off. If KL gets close to Byleth she could blast him away with magic, or unironically JoJo punch him. I'll see if I can get a video of it later,
but it looks something like this.
Nice and all. Sadly won't work, because as soon as she starts doing that KL starts moving faster than she can perceive.
How is the powernull activated? Is it thought based?
Yes.
Either that or, well, dodging it.
Which probably is a game mechanics, since... well if they could dodge it, it wouldn't be faster than they can react, now, would it?
Not that dodging one attack would make a difference when she can't hit back.
Does he stay in Movement Pattern the entire time? From some of the clips I'm seeing, it looks like KL is constantly changing patterns, and only uses Movement Pattern in short bursts, like when he appeared behind Acqua. Byleth has shown numerous times that
they can react to surprise attacks.
He tends to switch patterns, but nothing stops him from doing the thought-based activation as reaction (Byleth's attacks aren't exactly thought-based instantanous stuff) or adapt during the fight when necessary. Knight Leader isn't stupid either. He will likewise play by his best strategy.
Reacting to a surprise attack isn't the same as reacting to someone too fast for you to even see. He could literally run a circle around her faster than she is physically able to turn around and all that. (KL is also noted to make no sound when he attacks, which helps as well)
- Prior Knowledge
- Skills that increase her speed, and chances of dodging, and hitrate
- Is guaranteed to attack first if she is goes below half health, which also gives her a chance to nullify any counterattacks
- Healing Items, and Healing Focus, which instantly heals half her health
- Higher Dura (Scales to a Third Form Immaculate One, who greatly upscales from 409, if not 818 gigatons)
- Can Timestop to assess her situation if necessary
- Can rewind time 13 times, so she knows how the battle will play out. Byleth can make plenty of mistakes, but KL only has to make one
- Can be like "**** everything in that general direction" with her spells, and do the same with her sword if for whatever reason he decides to not use TDF on the SoTC.
Prior knowledge (which KL also has) doesn't help hit a faster opponent. Much less a so tremendously faster one.
Unless those skills that increase speed and stuff have shown to be comparable to such a big speed increase they are not enough.
Healing is nice, but doesn't solve the fundamental problem that KL can turn this into a very onesided fight via his speed. It will just delay in inevitable. Not to mention that a good hit with the accuracy pattern will still likely cause rather lethal harm.
The x2 stuff for 818 is not how that works and never accepted. So she upscales from 400 tons and he can casually catch a blade from someone vastly above 240 tons with one hand. And that's without the boosts of his sword, which enhances him further even without the patterns. With the cutting pattern even a priorly equal opponent had to give up on trying to block his strike. So the durability advantage really isn't that noteworthy. Especially as, again, with the speed this is very onesided.
This is all assuming KL stays in Movement Pattern.
As said, KL isn't stupid. Just as Bayleth can be assumed to not continue to sword fight with her nulled blade, KL can be assumed to fight in the forms that work best.
I'm more so saying that she has witnessed similar techniques, whether it be something like Astra, or characters teleport spamming around her. Movement Speed doesn't seem to be anything she can't deal with.
It's about the amount of movement speed. And you have yet to show me her "dealing with" such a large speed advantage in a better way than eating the attacks and hoping that the opponent eventually slows down. Astra and teleportation is just not comparable to a character that can continuously move at faster than she can see.
She already has prior knowledge of his most dangerous abilities, and can rewind time 13 times on top of that.
KL also has knowledge of her abilities, so they are equal in that. The time rewinds are nice, but fundamentally don't solve anything.
She knows every move that KL is going to make
No she doesn't. She knew which moves he did the last rewind maybe, but the details are going to change the moment she does something different. Maybe she can defend against one sword strike that she priorly didn't, but that doesn't help. The next sword strike will be different than in the prior iteration and she can hence not predict it.
and has the durability, and healing to be able to withstand his attacks.
Some of his attacks. He as well btw. He won't just go down in one hit either. Thing is he lands vastly more hits. Be it via movement speed pattern or by the occasional innumerable attack range attacks in between (which she also can't do much against other than tank). Needing 3 times as many attacks to go down is useless if the opponent lands 20 time as many hits.
The question is, how is KL going to deal with someone who knows his every move, has greater range, can reverse time, has great self-healing, and is a lot stronger? The only way I can really see KL dealing with that is if he stays in Movement Speed the entire time, which from what I can tell, isn't in character.
Saying KL won't abuse movement pattern because it isn't "in character" is like saying Bayleth won't decide to not fight with the sword because in character she fights with the sword. Just as Bayleth can adapt to knowledge so can KL. He also has prior knowledge of Bayleth and will come up with reasonable measures against them. Using the movement pattern doesn't need genius intelligence.
And he doesn't need it the entire time anyway. He can switch it up, because, again, Bayleth doesn't know every move in advance. She just had a few prior tries. He can throw in a surprise pattern change here and there. He can use a time where she is toppled to attack with a cutting power. He can fight her in close combat and then get a few meters distance and fire innumerable invisible ranged attacks from all directions before she realizes she has to switch to ranged combat. Or instantly close in again if she switches to ranged combat.
Heck, talking about prior knowledge KL knows about the time rewinds as well and can reasonably plan countermeasures. He could purposefully somehow decide at random whether to attack from the left, right, front or behind for examples and by that make it unpredictable in a rewind.
So let me summarize what I see from the debate to this point as briefly as possible.
Bayleth has no notable skill advantage and then has to fight without the weapons she is most used to.
If Knight Leader uses the ranged attack patterns with omnidirectional invisible cutting power, she basically has no better move than to take the damage and counter attack to make him stop.
If Knight Leader uses the movement pattern, he outspeeds her so much that she basically can only tank the damage and hope that he will eventually switch to a different pattern. She has no technique that actually allows her to land hits while he is doing that or to even defend against it long term.
So in conclusion, Knight Leader has the better cards in his hands and Bayleth's powers can only delay the inevitable.
Hence I vote Knight Leader.
