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Trinity Seven Discussion Thread
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EldemadeDityjon
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New fellow here 
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Yeahh.New fellow here
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Wow, hopefully we can work together here.New fellow here
EldemadeDityjon
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Don't expect much. I need to pick up the manga. I only watched anime. Its gonna take some times but i can help out in giving adivces to the CRTs
EldemadeDityjon
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Arata doesn't have information manipulation right ?
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For now, it doesn't seem like it yet, but I'm sure there will be
EldemadeDityjon
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I will make a CRT 8n in this weekend. I started reading the manga. Looks like still many abilities missing.
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Yes, he didn't. But I think he has information manipulation type 1 in chapter 0 or 1.
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Right, if you need something to upgrade, please contact me, I will help you.
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Also, I want to make a crt about resistance negation in Breakdown Phenomenon, but I'm currently busy, maybe next week.
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It seems like nehz wants to remove arata infinite speed, especially since I'm busy. This is really unfavorable
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Yeah sure go ahead, we will wait for the thread.
Just a friendly reminder, if you guys make an upgrade thread and it has been approved by the staff, make sure to add references for each scan to the upgraded character's profile.
I believe this is a mandatory rule at VSBW now.
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Isn't it already accepted? iirc there are two staff who agree and one who is neutral tho.
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Its type 2 actually they are using the information stored in manuscript and Manipulating the reality like breakdown phenomenon.
This is my ability upgrade list
- Information Manipulation (Type 2. Can use information in the Grimoire to create and manipulate reality)
- Force Field Creation (Can create Force Field)
- Conceptual Manipulation (Type 3. Can embody a abstract concepts and use it to manipulate their thema)
- Power Nullification (Arata rule can null the ability of breakdown phenomenon along with others thema)
- Social Influence & Empathic Manipulation
- Light Manipulation (Arata's Grimoire can create light)
- Information Analysis & Clairvoyance (Arata Grimoire shown to identify the magic circle instantly which was hidden in the room where none couldn't find it even though they searched thoroughly)
- Pocket Reality Warping (Subconsciously Arata was shown to create space times)
- Black hole creation
- Stealth Mastery (for ninja) & weapons Mastery (Lilith)
- Attack Reflection (Mira) & Existence Erasure (Akio) & Dream Manipulation (Yui)
EldemadeDityjon
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Why removing that ?
EldemadeDityjon
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@Rendynoc0unter @Nexp06 Btw if anything wrong with my list correct me.
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I think it still needs more concrete evidence. Information Manipulation Type 2 requires you to manipulate information that is fundamental, and afaik, Breakdown phenomenon is not a fundamental aspect.
Yeah
Which character does this refer to? All Trinity Seven members already have CM type 2 via last crest where they can create a new concepts in the world.
Sure
I don't remember this part, just neutral for now
It's already on his profile
Sure i guess
Can you show a scan for this?
Not sure about this
Sure i guess
Mira and Yui seems fine but i need to take a look about Akio EE scan.
EldemadeDityjon
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Actually he created his friends and all in his pocket Reality right? Also it was devouring the reality around the academy. Anyway I am still reading the manga i may find more scans.
Ok if they already have CM type 2 then fine.
I mean arata speach kinda convincing and he got pretty good conversational skills with everyone
It was about the breakdown phenomenon which we saw in the beginning of the series. Its called as different Reality which was created by arata.
Its about break down phenomenon but i am also not sure but it shown to devour Everything into the black sun
Akio tried to erase Arata in the beginning you remember?
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I'm not sure about this, I'm sure it's information manip type 1, but currently I haven't seen the scan you're referring to, so it's neutral.
Sure.
Im not sure, but. I don't really understand concept manipulation.
This already exists, even arata's powernull is pretty great, because it can ngenull characters that have 3x layer resistance powernul
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Erase here is different, I remember Akio was told by Mira to delete Arata, well. I think the word "erase" is better to use the word "kill", because at that time Mira really didn't like Arata. And, what was shown at that time was that Akio was only trying to kill, not delete.
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Its kinda implied she was trying to completely wipe out arata along with his magic ti stop break down phenomenon. So may be she was really try to erase him.
Nah i found more scans it's definitely type 2. They record every information in the Grimoire and uses that to create and manipulate things. Especially the Lilith thema has explaination of Manipulating things on fundamental level. I wonder if that can be used to get Conceptual manipulation type 1 or 2. Its clearly mentioned as rock can changed into something else on fundamental scale.
Type 1. Manipulating the reality concepts from scratch
Type 2. Manipulating the concepts which are clearly defined but not affecting the reality
Type 3. Unknown which are not defined completely but still Conceptual manipulation
Usage of thema seems like type 3.
Oh. Great then. Also he kinda commands others magic with his Rule. Is there any Ability Qualifies for that ?
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As far as I know, there is no
EldemadeDityjon
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Also I was thinking about the "Trinity Seven Glossary"
Are they starts from number 11. Because I couldn't find anything before that.
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Well, I'm a little bit unsure about that, regarding type 2 information manipulation, I'll listen to it first because I haven't seen the scans yet.
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I thought about that too, but. If you go to my discord server, I will give you the glossary that I have, and also. My Discord server is an Indonesian Death Battle server, so most people use Indonesian, but if we communicate, then I will use English for you.
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I will drop the draft here once I am done reading the manga. I am noting all possible abilities along while I am reading it.
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Alright then
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Battlefield Removal?
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Hmm... Agree.
For Mira, maybe I'll just let her, I'll try to put some skill things for her.
Yes, specifically because she's my ideal woman.
EldemadeDityjon
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Btw the force field creation and information manipulation should be added to all. Its kinda common abilities. Arin was able to isolate the room arata and Lilith were in. Its stated as same thing as when he created a seperate space-time. I wonder if that qualifies as bfr or something. Or sealing maybe.
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Yes he create it, but i’m not sure “world” that Sora mentioned are referring to a space time (universe), so yes, probably he creating a pocket reality. So this part is suitable for Pocket reality and creation abilities.
Alright
Well, after reading the black hole section page, the Breakdown Phenomenon is indeed quite similar to the black hole in terms of mechanisms and working methods such as gravity and absorption.
But black holes themselves in the real world are still unknown such as how they work, what will happen if someone is sucked into it and so on and I doubt if the author actually is really referring to the black hole.
But because this is fiction, anything can happen. So yeah, maybe I agree with this one.
You mean at the beginning of that chapter?, that might be a metaphor that Akio uses when she fights the enemy and there is a blood scene after Akio kicks Arata so I don't think it is EE.
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About last crest stuff, I recommend you to read Liese Chronicle Manga first because there are many feats there that can be used as additional evidence
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I am at that chapter. I am gonna read it fully then see if any additional abilities can be added.
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— Empowerment,Transformation,Fear Inducing,Multiple Selves,Incorporeality,Astral Projection.
When Arata felt upset Arata turned into Astral Trinity, his strength increased from helpless to dominating even to the point of making Ilya feel trembling seeing Arata. And also Arata has another personality as Demon Lord,
as Ilya said "THIS IS THE BEING HIDDEN INSIDE "KASUGA ARATA", THE REAL MAGIC KING CANDI DATE... ASTRAL TRINITY",
And when Arata was transformed by Anna into Astral Trinity, Arata's body was replaced by Astral Trinity's soul.
Arata's soul was directly in Anna's World of Demise, Arata's soul in the World of Demise was sealed and when he received the Arin Archive, his soul was freed from the seal, and Arata could still exist only with a soul,
Arata in WoD can interact with Astral Trinity, which means Astral Trinity is different from Arata's soul, you could say 1 body 2 souls.
https://imgur.com/a/CYRqkzJ
And Arata's soul can return to his body.
https://imgur.com/a/Iz5mpu0
What do you think?
When Arata felt upset Arata turned into Astral Trinity, his strength increased from helpless to dominating even to the point of making Ilya feel trembling seeing Arata. And also Arata has another personality as Demon Lord,
as Ilya said "THIS IS THE BEING HIDDEN INSIDE "KASUGA ARATA", THE REAL MAGIC KING CANDI DATE... ASTRAL TRINITY",
And when Arata was transformed by Anna into Astral Trinity, Arata's body was replaced by Astral Trinity's soul.
Arata's soul was directly in Anna's World of Demise, Arata's soul in the World of Demise was sealed and when he received the Arin Archive, his soul was freed from the seal, and Arata could still exist only with a soul,
Arata in WoD can interact with Astral Trinity, which means Astral Trinity is different from Arata's soul, you could say 1 body 2 souls.
https://imgur.com/a/CYRqkzJ
And Arata's soul can return to his body.
https://imgur.com/a/Iz5mpu0
What do you think?
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EldemadeDityjon
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Looks good. I think it Qualifies for abstact existence type 1 because type 2 is embodying different concepts where type 1 is existing themselves as a different concepts. As for arata souls still being exiting without physical body is there anyway it Qualifies for low godly regeneration?
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I don't think that there is abstract existence, and also. How can it get low-godly regenaration?
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I'll look into all of this later.
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