Question about multipliers

[LIFE_OF_KING]

In one specific verse, the difference between levels of someone is immense. Level 2 being considered impossible and unbeatable for someone of level 1, for example. It's basically a "hierarchy".

With that logic, could I say that someone of level 100 is 100 times stronger than someone of level 1?

 

[KLOL506]

In one specific verse, the difference between levels of someone is immense. Level 2 being considered impossible and unbeatable for someone of level 1, for example. It's basically a "hierarchy".

With that logic, could I say that someone of level 100 is 100 times stronger than someone of level 1?

No. Too vague.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

First: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Multipliers?so=search#Multipliers_without_reliable_statements

Second: It would need to have more context of a Level 2 literally stomping multiple levels 1 and I think a level 100 being 100 times stronger than a level 1 would be lowballing and too vague

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

First: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Multipliers?so=search#Multipliers_without_reliable_statements

Sure, I know about the page. But it is not specific about the example I showed

It would need to have more context of a Level 2 literally stomping multiple levels 1

There are several statements about the higher level being invincible for the lower level, being adapted precisely to be unbeatable

and I think a level 100 being 100 times stronger than a level 1 would be lowballing and too vague

I mean, 90% of the stuff on this site is a low ball, so well

 

[DontTalkDT]

Sure, I know about the page. But it is not specific about the example I showed

Actually, it is:

Multipliers come from direct statements instead of being reasoned from something else.

No direct statement = no multiplier.
In your case, the things stated mention no multiplier and you use reasoning to infer a multiplier from what is said.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Sometimes we use the "common sense", no?

When two characters merge and become one stronger being, we usually assume that they are 2x stronger

Also, if the level 100 character says something like "my level is 100 times higher than yours" then it would be considered a legitimate multiplier, but if it was "I am 99 levels higher than you" then it would be considered fake?

 

[DontTalkDT]

No, for fusions we won't use multipliers that are never mentioned, as they do not necessarily get 2x stronger at all, in a similar fashion to how combination attacks don't necessarily stack.

As for the level examples: Neither would be considered a multiplier, since it merely talks about "level". A multiplier has to be specific as to what it applies to. To quote the page once again:

That means, for example, that if a verse has powerlevels or statistics, the doubling of a statistic or power level should not be concluded to correspond to the power of the character doubling, unless it is clearly specified to work that way.

One should also consider which statistic a multiplier applies to. If a character just gets 10 times more powerful, then that doesn't necessarily means that all of its statistics are multiplied by 10. For example could a fiction in principle have a character become a 10 times more dangerous fighter just by increasing his combat technique, with only minor increases in stats. A more classical scenario is one where a characters strength increases by some multiplier, but its speed is untouched.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

No, for fusions we won't use multipliers that are never mentioned

In many cases we assume the multiplier of 2 times from what I see. One example is in NNT

Another example of common sense is here

As for the level examples: Neither would be considered a multiplier, since it merely talks about "level". A multiplier has to be specific as to what it applies to.

But why on earth would it not be considered a multiplier? That's what I want to understand. It's basically a hierarchy of levels where the top level is completely invincible and unbeatable to the lower, they are basically invulnerable to anything. Hell, to say that level 100 is at least 100 times stronger than level 1 would actually be pretty generous.

 

[DontTalkDT]

In many cases we assume the multiplier of 2 times from what I see. One example is in NNT

Another example of common sense is here

Not everyone makes right decisions. Sadly, the rules are overlooked at times.

Not that I know either case well enough to say with certainty if it's a problem.

But why on earth would it not be considered a multiplier? That's what I want to understand. It's basically a hierarchy of levels where the top level is completely invincible and unbeatable to the lower, they are basically invulnerable to anything. Hell, to say that level 100 is at least 100 times stronger than level 1 would actually be pretty generous.

I mean, first, lets document that the levels contribute nothing. It's just an easy way of saying who stomps who.

So what's the problem of applying random multipliers we come up with to people stomping each other? Several.

First, we have absolutely no idea how higher the stomping multiplier is for the series or if such a thing exists. In some verses a character can still fight an opponent x10 as strong, while in others a x2 stat gap is a stomp. This stuff varies between verses, so applying random multipliers we conjure from nothing to it isn't appropiate.

Second, authors rarely really keep track of this stuff so it is recurrently inconsistent, to the point that I don't buy it being consistent without any evidence.

Third, and perhaps most importantly, as the page states:

The reason for that is that it allows characters to be evaluated as significantly more powerful, without ever demonstrating that degree of power in a confirmable way.

It's pulling stats from pure conjecture with no actual evidence and void of absolutely any feat on that level. What you're suggesting is only marginally better than "he should have that stat, because I feel like he's strong enough to have it".
That gets especially bad if you consider that a verse that runs long and has repeatedly defeat characters each other over its long run can basically upscale immensely above any actual feat it has.


And that's why you need actual evidence to upscale characters.