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Does destroying a space-time that is smaller than a Universe count as High 3-A? I say this because of how spacetimes are counted as having infinite snapshots of what's inside of them.
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Small Space-Times
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CosmicWreck
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We used to. I don't know why we don't anymore.
Probably since we decided dimensions of insignificant sizes are irrelevant.
Probably since we decided dimensions of insignificant sizes are irrelevant.
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No. Only space times of universal sizes grant a higher dimensional tier so as to be non trivial. Space times that are not universal in size are scaled according to their size.
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But how exactly does that work? I thought the concept was every Space-Time no matter the size has an Infinite Number of Copies of whatever that Space-Time Contains. Destroying that Space-Time would include those Infinite Copies, so that would be High 3-A.
Why is that no longer valid?
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Because apparently space times aren't portrayed to be higher dimensional if they're really small, so the universal border was chosen as the baseline for a space time to be considered non trivial, if I recall correctly. However destroying a space time which is explicitly shown to be higher dimensional structure (requires lot of proof) would qualify for universe level+ even if not universal sized.
By the way it's universe level+ not high universe level.
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That's the argument I was trying to make. I know the minimum for Universal+ is a Universe-sized Space-Time, so I was just wondering if you could get at least High 3-A if you destroyed one under that Universe size threshold.
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You don't understand. A space time, no matter how small, is always uncountably infinite snapshots of the 3D realm, which means it's always universe+.
According to standards however, a space time under universe size is scaled to it's size for example a solar system sized space time would scale to solar system level.
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Oh... Damn, that really sucks but ok then thanks for the help!
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Because if we using that logic everyone can get High 3-A just by destroying a bed-sized space-time, thus inflating the result, very very simple. Unless the verse specific on the matter and make things consistent
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I get it but I still find it weird we follow the snapshot logic but completely ignore it under a certain point without any real logical reason.
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You can't have anything, or you could make someone High 3-A just by slice a cut on space-time with raw power. So anyone destroy space-time of smaller scale will be equate to the scale of the space-time along with space-time hax or pocket reality hax, same with creation or everything will be inflate and create inconsistency.
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Like I said I understand why not, it's still weird.
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Complain doesn't change anythingz make CRT if you want
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A timeline with any sized 3-dimensional component would qualify for Low 2-C technically. That being said, while the intent is self-evident for entire timelines and universe sized space-time continuums, you would have to get really, really specific for anything smaller to qualify. Which most verses aren't.
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You're being annoyingly snarky for no reason at all. I said I get it, I'm not complaining I just found it weird.
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OP pointing out how a standard is weird doesn't count as a "complaint", and even if it does, it doesn't take away from the fact that the logic is inconsistent.
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Why? Do we assume the time dimension is some incredibly thin structure like planck length for smaller space-time continuums? That's the only way that kind of thinking can be the case without being contradictory imo.
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We have zero indication that it's a proper temporal dimension in the case of most small pocket space-times whereas the feats involving universe sized ones involve creating a full past, present and future most of the time. So we go with the safer alternative. It's not a perfect system but at the moment, it's the best we can do.
That and the power levels showcased by most characters who destroy smaller space-times are contradictory to them being Low 2-C anyway.
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4D High 3-A no longer exists. The absolute baseline for 4D constructs is Low 2-C. Anyways, it would be pretty wonky to have the space-time of a small pocket dimension be Low 2-C when it is shown to not be on the level of a conventional space-time continuum, so naturally it wouldn’t function the same as one. Therefore it can only be scaled by the contents inside.
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So hypothetically what are proper statements that could allow a temporal dimension smaller than a universe to count?
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A full on elaboration as to their nature being as such would work I guess. I doubt any Verde on the wiki has statements that fit the bill.
