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Ah ******* hell
Glass added Plot Hax to Alucard aswell
Glass added Plot Hax to Alucard aswell
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a devil hunter vs vampire prince
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is it passive ? if not then dante still have chance
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Lmao it doens't adress the need for range.
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I'm not sure, Alucard has never ever used such a thing so I guess yeah, the fight is closer
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without the passive plot,this fight wiil be very fun,anyway i need to go sleep now,it was midnight in my country,hope tomorrow this will be end
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So, how much layers of High-Goldly regen neg does Alucard have? Dante have a shit ton of then
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Incoming battle of layers where most of it is not accepted, I never liked that
What are Dante's layers then ?
What are Dante's layers then ?
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Well, he is still missing his RE feats, so i'm not going to post then here since it is not accepted atm, but i guess it is something like this:
Dante vs Pluto<DMC1 Dante vs Nelo Angelo<DMC1 Dante vs Nelo Angelo 2<DMC1 Dante vs Nelo Angelo 3<Mundus on statue form<Sparda DT Dante vs Full power Mundus=Abigail vs Anime Dante<Alternative Mundus vs Vol 2 Dante<Vol2 Dante vs Chen<DMC4 Dante<DMC5 Dante<DT Dante vs Uirzen after some hours of fight<<<<One mouth of human blood Dante=<One mouth of human blood Urizen<SDT Dante vs Urizen post fruit<Dante vs Vergil
This is more less the scaling from the God Tiers, not going to put everithing to not make too much bigger, i believe this is more and less what we use atm for then.
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Wait a min, how's this a High Godly Regeneration layer scaling ? Like u said it's literally the series AP scaling
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Is because is related to eacth other, more demonic power=better AP, Speed, Durability, Regeneration and Haxs as stated in PoC and Manga.
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@Lightning_XXI using his full powers as a creature of chaos would lead to plot hax kicking in. If you used Arikado then he wouldn’t have plot hax active, but Alucard isn’t really exempt from that.
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Hold on right there. Arceus stomps. What stops him is 9D range. Which means he can't really die.
And I don't even see why he doesn't seal
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Alucard's plot manip should have this handled unless I'm remembering wrong.
Dante's 9-D range doesn't matter if the narrative itself that he's trapped in changes to say such, and Dante doesn't have any plot manipulation resistance. I think Al's is also passive, so unless it's not it's a stomp thread. Outside of that one ability Dante would win, but that's just how the cookie crumbles. Dante dies while flirting with Sypha is my vote.
Dante's 9-D range doesn't matter if the narrative itself that he's trapped in changes to say such, and Dante doesn't have any plot manipulation resistance. I think Al's is also passive, so unless it's not it's a stomp thread. Outside of that one ability Dante would win, but that's just how the cookie crumbles. Dante dies while flirting with Sypha is my vote.
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Also doesn’t help that Alucard has reactive evolution on boosting his resistances to higher levels and creating new abilities to counter anything new.
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I mean, Dante has his own RE. It just wouldn't really matter if the plot hax kicks in first to kill him, which it should because it's passive. It'd also be different if Alucard was so arrogant that Dante'd have time to evolve, but he's not so Dante kinda just dies.
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I've seen Dante vs other top tiers(Anos, Arceus), long enough to know this. 9D soul range means he'll keep coming back. .
And this match changes nothing. Alucard stomps with plot hax but I don't think he can permanently incap due to range
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Sure, this is true, but there's an explicit difference between trying to attack a soul or mind or the like that extends several dimenions higher that you're unable to affect and changing the narrative of the story in such a way that you are fated to win even when you're unable to win.
Attacking within the rules of a story =/= attacking by rewriting the story
Iirc Anos won as a stomp because of his 99 layers, so even when Dante was gonna keep coming back Dante was going to repeatedly die. He'd have to evolve to counter all of the haxes to win, and I mean, he could, but I figure that'd take far longer than the limit of what an incon is, and because until then he had no wincons at all thanks to the Eyes.
Arceus lost because while Dante was also outranging he also had abilities that could put God's Best Dog down as well.
Dante can only win in this thread if plot manip is restricted or if he's not equalized in speed, but at that point you'd be unfairly limiting them.
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@RedReaper just saying if Dante can evolve to resist the hax and he can come back endlessly that wouldn’t really be a good incap since he’d just eventually resist the hax Anos spams at him.
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I figured that at that point it'd be a win in Anos favor given the way one can win without permanent death, especially since under speed equal it'd be hard to argue he could evolve per time if Anos kept just left swiping him immediately.
It's one thing to be fighting someone and near instantly evolving like he does against the Demon World and then trying to evolve after you've already been dead'd.
The thread was closed anyway.
Onto the topic at hand, (because I don't wanna derail), my vote is staying as Less Cool Alucard.
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You say that like you weren’t pulling this bullshit back at the Creator thread about instantly evolving towards abilities.
Anyways Alucard should win this for the reasons stated above.
Anyways Alucard should win this for the reasons stated above.
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There's nothing in Dantes profile to put Arceus down. They were on about the same reasons Anos couldn't beat him, 9D range
And that's exactly what will happen here. Range
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I don't think Plot Hax will work just Dracula's did, I'll get into details later
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True, but the abilities the Creator had as wincons were filmsy.
He had to touch Dante (who had too many options for such to occur)
Relied on a foresight Dante actually has a chance of evolving against (unlike the literal story smacking him up)
Etc.
Meanwhile Dante resisted all of his other powers and had the means to kill him with his physical abilities + stray haxes.
But yeah, Al W.
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Then you make a crt for that. For now, and what's accepted on the wiki, Dante can't bypass plot hax and he gets repeatedly negged
Inconclusive due to range, otherwise it's a stomp in Alucard's favor.
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There is tho plus there is the Demon Physiology page
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There's not. Nothing bypassing layers upon layers of hax. CM 1, resistance negation, power null, etc. Layered up till 2A. Debate was weird, I just wasn't available at the time. Smh
And Arceus profile doesn't account for more than half of what he can do. Otherwise It will be bloated, like Rimuru
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Well that was just an example. What I meant is, without 9D range you can't permanently put Dante down.
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I don't need that, it's about how it's used not if it's legit
I'll post when I get home
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Many of dante's abilities are layered as well but imma stop rn since it's not the thread for this
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Layered? , when Llama already passively neggs and neggs resistances, copy his powers and proceeds to seal them from affecting him. Reactively Devolving Dante(Yes) , etc . No respect for Llama these days.
Anyway, Inconclusive so far. 9D soul and all. Otherwise Alucard stomps
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Guys, it's important to note that Only Dante's soul is 9D. his body is normal. i've seen alot of ppl making that mistake
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Alright.
Sniper670
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He'll keep regenerating
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only in DT tho.
Lugh_Tuathe_Dé
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Whatever you say my guy you just throw some shit without knowing the other can do and say the
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Pay attention on the Plot Hax description:
Those two are extremely dangerous and the idea of a hero, despite being a creature of chaos, using that is very crazy for me, Alucard would never use such ability, even if it could give him a shield against anything Dante does, it's other effects (mainly, other Chaos creatures getting effected) would be too much for him to ignore. The statement about it overflowing into reality already shows how this power isn't something selective, it's not being used for only Alucard, and the other never goes into details of being a specific Chaos creature, always talking about it in General. With that in mind, I don't think Plot Hax for Alucard really works that easily, it did with Dracula cuz he has no issue in nuking humanity and the forces of God, his son, however, is not the same case
With that in mind, let's go into other stuff
However, that is a useless debate actually, Alucard is Mid-Godly, being able to negate High Godly, he however resists his own regeneration Negation so I guess that counts, but seeing Dante's scaling for both regen and its negation, I believe Alucard won't be able to kill him, Castlevania's High Godly feats are baseline, they came from Death and Time Reaper, meaning Alucard's only 1 layer above that
First and most important of all, all 4 scans don't really show Plot Manipulation being passive, but even then, it's something that overflows to reality and ensures Chaos's victory
Those two are extremely dangerous and the idea of a hero, despite being a creature of chaos, using that is very crazy for me, Alucard would never use such ability, even if it could give him a shield against anything Dante does, it's other effects (mainly, other Chaos creatures getting effected) would be too much for him to ignore. The statement about it overflowing into reality already shows how this power isn't something selective, it's not being used for only Alucard, and the other never goes into details of being a specific Chaos creature, always talking about it in General. With that in mind, I don't think Plot Hax for Alucard really works that easily, it did with Dracula cuz he has no issue in nuking humanity and the forces of God, his son, however, is not the same case
With that in mind, let's go into other stuff
That's not really all true, different levels of demons can have (and already have shown) different levels of Speed and many, many, many different Haxes, that's on their profiles, that was debated countless times, I get it about AP and Regeneration, but your statement had a HUGE contradiction
However, that is a useless debate actually, Alucard is Mid-Godly, being able to negate High Godly, he however resists his own regeneration Negation so I guess that counts, but seeing Dante's scaling for both regen and its negation, I believe Alucard won't be able to kill him, Castlevania's High Godly feats are baseline, they came from Death and Time Reaper, meaning Alucard's only 1 layer above that
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Can you NOT derail almost every tier 2 related Vs thread by bringing up the Llama whataboutism please?
It's getting pretty annoying and the supporters of various verses may get the wrong idea.
I get you want to contribute to the thread but saying "Arceus Stomps" literally adds nothing constructive to the debate of which is the more stylish half-human pretty boy... ahem!
Anyway as much as I loathe plot hax as a P&A (Almost as much as layered or fate hax) what can Dante actually do to incap Alucard without getting narratively cucked?
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I agree that some P&A are meh, specially this layer battle thing
