Nonexistence Physiology and Higher Dimensions

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

If Character A has NEP and is 4D and another Character has not shown the ability to interact with a NEP Character but is of a Higher Dimension can they still affect them?

 

[PrinceofPein]

No

But then again it depends on context, there is no one size fits all

 

[Arthex]

Pretty sure the only reason H1a Akuto incons with Faa is nep, i always wonder what "state" you are in after being erased on your nep state itself.

 

[Darksmash]

If the other character transcends them by a R>F layer then yes. NEP is irrelevant if the higher layer literally breaches the barrier of reality/unreality. NEP doesn't mean the user exists independent of all layers. They are still bound to their layer and will be seen as fiction from a higher one.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

If the other character transcends them by a R>F layer then yes. NEP is irrelevant if the higher layer literally breaches the barrier of reality/unreality. NEP doesn't mean the user exists independent of all layers. They are still bound to their layer and will be seen as fiction from a higher one.

Never said it didn't matter. I just said you cant affect them.

 

[Darksmash]

Never said it didn't matter. I just said you cant affect them.

You can still defeat them literally just erase their plane of existence

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

You can still defeat them literally just erase their plane of existence

If you erase their plane of existence, then all that is left is nonexistence which they are.

 

[Mr._Undetected]

If Character A has NEP and is 4D and another Character has not shown the ability to interact with a NEP Character but is of a Higher Dimension can they still affect them?

Couldn't affect him if he didn't have the feats, that was because, the Higher Dimension only showed the existential superiority of his dimensionality, but to be honest, the Higher Dimension was superior to the NEP.

 

[Darksmash]

If you erase their plane of existence, then all that is left is nonexistence which they are.

Nonexistence would still be part of the story and gets erased along with the story. You would need additional proof to suggest this "nonexistence" extends to plot level and can survive the literal destruction of their story and the container of that story. For the umpteenth time literal nonexistence isn't a thing and all the so called "nonexistent" characters exist on some ontological ground.

 

[Delta333]

Just say NEP characters can't be affected directly withhout NPI feat, but can be affected indirectly by influencing the reality that's they're part of

 

[Ryuhei246]

If the other character transcends them by a R>F layer then yes. NEP is irrelevant if the higher layer literally breaches the barrier of reality/unreality. NEP doesn't mean the user exists independent of all layers. They are still bound to their layer and will be seen as fiction from a higher one.

So if that's the case, can nature type 2 aspect 3 also be applied this way (errase their plane of existence), with a character that is higher in existence and considers it as fiction only, I'm a little confused here, so I hope you can help me straighten it out my understanding of this.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Nonexistence would still be part of the story and gets erased along with the story. You would need additional proof to suggest this "nonexistence" extends to plot level and can survive the literal destruction of their story and the container of that story. For the umpteenth time literal nonexistence isn't a thing and all the so called "nonexistent" characters exist on some ontological ground.

You are talking about Plot Manipulation specifically, but this is a broader case now.

You can't assume that erasing the 5th Dimension also includes erasing the concept of nonexistence on a 5th Dimensional Level. Nonexistence follows the same rules as CM1 Concepts.

1. Independent Universal Concepts: Such concepts are completely independent from the part of reality they govern. These concepts shape all of reality within their area of influence and at whatever level that area exists in, and everything in it "participates" in these concepts. For example, a circular object is circular because it is "participating" in the concept of "circle-ness". In this way, the alteration of these concepts will change every object of the concept across all of their area of influence, while the opposite wouldn't affect the concept.

Nonexistence is like an Independent Universal Concept, it will be a thing with or without its 5th Dimensional Structure. And you can't assume you can affect it just because you are of a higher dimension. Something being Infinitesimal or Unreality does not give you absolute power to affect anything. It just means your power is of a Higher Infinity.

Unless you can prove you cant affect Nonexistence as a whole, you simply can't. Throw as much existence erasure as you want, it doesn't matter.

 

[Arthex]

Just a question, if Character A is completely trascended over the reality of Character B's dimension, why can't he overwrite the fact/reality that makes him not be able to interact with Character B?

 

[Delta333]

Nonexistence is an Independent Universal Concept

No, nonexistence is not concept...

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

No, nonexistence is not concept...

I meant to say it's like an Independent Universal Concept.

Just a question, if Character A is completely trascended over the reality of Character B's dimension, why can't he overwrite the fact/reality that makes him not be able to interact with Character B?

Because they can't do something they cant do. I can be Tier 0, but If I only have Ice Manipulation then tough luck affecting someone Immune to Ice.

If you have Plot Manipulation that affects a Plot that contains nonexistent things then sure you can manipulate Nonexistence.