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Battle For 3rd Strongest Low 1-C: Deus Ex Machina vs God Monarch Cool Breeze

How layered are Xue's haxxes and resistances? What does he start with and is there a hax that Makina has that he doesn't resist?
 
First or second Low 1-C? One is 5D, the other is 6D.

His first move is Illusory Realm which will nullify permanently 70 to 80% of their total power. It will also make one be immersed within it making one forget about everything else but their dream, their wish, whatever bewitched them. XY also has full control of everything within it.

Then after it, he has the Void Dao which has all kinds of attacks like turning one 2D, erasing them from reality, stacking space so nothing reaches him (be it material or not), becoming one with the void to not be affected by anything and more.
 
6D probably because this is a fight for strongest Low 1-C list.
Does that all count as illusion creation space manipulation reality warping void manipulation and ee? If so then she resists. He would also need to continously do that since he is first fighting an infinite army with each clone being her first key. She can evolve and She can also interact with nep. How good is his resistance to fate manipulation?
 
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First or second Low 1-C? One is 5D, the other is 6D.

His first move is Illusory Realm which will nullify permanently 70 to 80% of their total power. It will also make one be immersed within it making one forget about everything else but their dream, their wish, whatever bewitched them. XY also has full control of everything within it.

Then after it, he has the Void Dao which has all kinds of attacks like turning one 2D, erasing them from reality, stacking space so nothing reaches him (be it material or not), becoming one with the void to not be affected by anything and more.
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This is interesting isn't it because Makina's army which is Abyss Tartarus is 6D and each of them has resistance to dream manip so it will probably be useless, each of those army also has passive powernull so it'll be a pain to break through that
 
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Shield Aegis are the ones which are infinite
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It was infinite before when she fought her rival, but afterwards she shut down a lot, but still has like trillions if I remember right, and can just make an infinite amount again if she feels like it.
 
Xue Ying's works on beings who resist these type of stuffs. His Dao evolved with each realm as he needed and each time he meets someone stronger, trains more then his hax works on them as his Mirage/Illusion reached another stage making useless any protection. It works on beings who don't even need to sleep/dream.

He resists to power null and his Illusory Realm will block attacks from reaching him if they can't bypass it.

Plus the moment she looks at him she will fall into his Illusory Realm, even if she doesn't want to look, she will be compelled by his aura to look at him.
 
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Xue Ying's works on beings who resist these type of stuffs. His Dao evolved with each realm as he needed and each time he meets someone stronger, trains more then his hax works on them as his Mirage/Illusion reached another stage making useless any protection. It works on beings who don't even need to sleep/dream.

He resists to power null and his Illusory Realm will block attacks from reaching him if they can't bypass it.

Plus the moment she looks at him she will fall into his Illusory Realm, even if she doesn't want to look, she will be compelled by his aura to look at him.
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Hmm, interesting, but Makina usually is at another dimension so Xue Ying needs to find her first after he dealt with her infinite 6D army
 
Same can be said for him, what people see at his level is just an avatar as his true form is too big to fit in any Origin World (multiverse). He also has multiple of him scattered through multiple Origin Worlds and different dimensions such as the place where the laws of lower worlds delve or in other dimensions.

He needs just a karmic connection with someone and then can attack all their connection with it no matter how far it is or how protected it is. Basically, once he sees someone a connection is formed, he learns of someone a connection is formed, a thing is said about X then another connection is formed, etc.
 
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Same can be said for him, what people see at his level is just an avatar as his true form is too big to fit in any Origin World (multiverse). He also has multiple of him scattered through multiple Origin Worlds and different dimensions such as the place where the laws of lower worlds delve or in other dimensions.
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Well, Makina has nigh-omniscient so she can find Xue Ying if she wanted to and sends her armies there, also if he finds her, she has reactive evolution where she will gain resistance and new abilities at the drop of a hat so his haxes need to works fast or she's gonna gain resistance to it especially when she's already has resistance to the haxes he throws at her as she just need to evolve her resistance to the next level
 
He also can look through the past/present/future of someone to learn anything about them. He also can create casually trillions of new abilities on the drop of the hat and more (did this casually for trillions of beings) from his own knowledge.

His Illusory Realm will extinguish the soul directly if he's in the mindset to kill a target.

The Illusory Realm is not just an illusion, its as real as anything else. It's basically a dimension (cosmos) created by him that is always with him. It can supersede reality and anything happening there will happen in reality too.

His layers for the Daos go from myriad << true meaning x 2 << then law x2 < rule then domain < then void system law <single-origin < then primal chaos < void dao which is made from 9 different branches of void daos < to create the final realm void dao which is even higher and finally to < chaotic original dao. This is not taking in calculation the sub-realms.
 
Hmmm, then i guess her armies will drop like flies then? Then again he can't kill her as long as her core is still exist and her core can't cease to exist if her true form is still exist so there's that. Tho Makina has less wincon than Xue Ying from my perspective with his large scaling of haxes
 
Makina does also have either like infinite ap above 6-D or infinite range, her true form anyway.

Against hax though, doesn't mean much, except that it means her true form would be beyond where like a regular 6-D could affect.

Precognition doesn't work on God's, otherwise Shiro would have seen Kuro altering the hero circle, which she never did, Shiro can see past, future, present.
 
Here too. From the World Deity stages, people can see the timeline. Then the Rulers are even more powerful as their Laws transcend all the ordinary laws making your resistance useless. This goes for each realm when a higher law is gained. You're not affected by the concept of time? A higher law will make your so-called resistance/immunity useless. This repeats. Xue Ying jumped entirely out of the timeline making him not be connected to it and could still be affected when he meets a higher law, same for others.

Chaotic Lifeforms are split into multiple stages too: Low-Grade Chaotic Lifeforms (which are once again split in initial, middle, late, perfect), then Emperor Grade (again split in 4 sub realm), then God Emperor Grade (split once again in 4 sub realms), then High-Graded (once again split in 4 sub-realms), then World Realm (just one stage) and finally Overlord (which is where Xue Ying is in this scaling chain for higher dimensional existence), not only that but he's the only one to ever reach this realm with the Soul Dao.
 
A World Creators power is inherently conceptual and transcends their universes, their nature and power inherently trivializes their world, and Makina is a being whose power trivializes a generic World Creator, most World Creators in fact. She has resistances to her own abilities, so when comparing abilities and what not, does the lower level stuff even matter at the scale these 2 characters are operating at? I mean for example Isis who has 5-D mind and fear hax, can't affect Shiro, who is far below Makina, but Isis ability doesn't operate on a 6-D scale, is Isis even important if we are discussing Makina's abilities and resistances?
 
Probably not lol, but Isis' serious magic power of death is indeed a mich higher scale and yet it still can't affect someone like Life for example so Makina's resistance should be higher than that
 
That's the thing, a fragment of Isis power is 5-D, the full extent, obviously far above that, and that can be resisted by a Supreme God, who is below Shiro, who is below Makina.

But Makina is a 6-D being who's abilities and consequently resistances, will always be greater than those from the people below her, so are the people below her, even worth mentioning in a hax debate vs another 6-D being who does the same thing?

Really don't think so.
 
Yeah, ypu can say that makina's resistance is higher than baseline but it obviously isn't a match with xue ying's large chain scaling of hax
 
Depends where that chain starts, if it doesn't start at 6-D, it's meaningless in this discussion.
 
This can go 2 ways atm; Xue has a good enough hax scaling in 6-D to overpower Makina's resistances, however probably can't reach her true form seeing as that would require like infinite 6-D range, so inconclusive, or his hax scaling doesn't touch the 6-D levels, or doesn't go far enough, and thus gets resisted by Makina, who then overpowers via sheer numbers and reactive evolution.

Though a 3rd scenario exists where he somehow can affect Makina's true form, but who knows, the Xue supporters gotta explain his 6-D scaling.
 
Everything is layered. Like I specified above each comprehension of the higher laws makes the lower one useless. Just to half-step into the True God realm, one had to comprehend all the laws of the universe and then gain their higher one - which is treated as a tower with multiple floors - the 1st floor can't even interact with the second while the second one can.
 
Not really answering the question, no matter how many countable infinities you add, it will never reach an uncountably infinity, the layers and stuff are pretty impressive and relevant on a lower scale, but not relevant here unless it's at the 6-D level.
 
Honestly, xue ying should've 6D rating otherwise he's below Il Illah whose 6D also, but if Xue Ying's 5D then no layers of haxes can pass by Makina's resistance but if Xue Ying's hax is layered 6D then i guess it's incon as Xue Ying can't reach Makina
 
It's not really an issue of whether he is 6-D, i think he clearly is, but is his hax layered in 6-D, again mentioning stuff about layers that don't involved 6-D is irrelevant here.

Like if in his verse, every step of a "cultivators" journey, involves reaching a level which stomps the other, and Xue is at the very top of this journey, the apex, and he is 6-D, it says nothing for his 6-D self, except that he will always be above everything below him, which is cool, but what if he faced an equal? This is what this match up is.
 
I did mention above that his first Low 1-C is 5-D and the second is 6-D (It's not hard to read it). He is 1 layer above normal 6D World Life Forms (As he's an Overlord Lifeform), and 2 layers for his soul hax which is above even Overlord Lifeforms. He casually fought several 6D beings in the last fight, him just reaching the level.
 
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