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Chou SSJ Vegeta MFTL+ upgrade

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GodlyCharmander said:
Updated, how does it look?

Who scales above SSB Vegito? I assume no one other than Beerus?
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Yeah, nobody scales to the manga version of Vegito Blue except Beerus.

GodlyCharmander said:
Likewise, SSJ Goku would be >>>>50000c if that's the case, thus, making the whole "scaling to Piccolo" argument pointless. If we had this all this time, Piccolo's calc is just irrelevant, serving only as supporting evidence.
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I wouldn't say it's irrelevant. The reason we couldn't use the multipliers to have them reach anything above 1080c was the lack of supporting feats. The feats from the manga, including Piccolo's solve that issue.
 
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
In the manga? Maybe only Perfected UI Goku, UE Vegeta, Angel Moro, Granolah, Gas and Beerus
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I think that's okay, then. Should I add them to the chain?
If so, I'd like the reasoning behind them.

Otherwise, we will stick to Merged Zamasu's value for anyone other than Beerus. (who doesn't even have a manga profile, I believe)
 
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
Honestly idk, but Perfected UI Goku scales in the ToP to Jiren, who is stronger than his own GoD (not Beerus in the manga I think)
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Yeah, manga scaling is different from the anime. Belmod has no reason to scale to Beerus, and I'm pretty sure it's already confirmed that Beerus is still > MUI Goku.
 
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
Quitela
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Thank you!

Uhhh, I'm not sure, I'd need to reread the fight. I only remember Ramūshi harming the other GoDs with his Scream, which I believe would negate durability, actually. He also didn't last as long as Quitela did against Beerus. I think the one with the most explicit scaling to Beerus is Quitela. Especially with the whole Beerus > MUI Goku ~ Jiren > Belmod thing going for the manga.
 
All the gods were actually portrayed as comparable but quitela, beerus and belmod were all implied to be the strongest. I think it's safe to say that beerus was simply retconned because of bad writing.
 
I think Black Arc Blue Vegito being comparable/superior to Beerus is kinda outdated. Shin is the one who said that iirc, and he was questioning it, not confirmed it. Moro Arc MUI Goku and characters above him should scale above Vegito Blue.
 
Kin201 said:
I think Black Arc Blue Vegito being comparable/superior to Beerus is kinda outdated. Shin is the one who said that iirc, and he was questioning it, not confirmed it.
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Toyotaro came out and confirmed it in an interview iirc.
Kin201 said:
Moro Arc MUI Goku and characters above him should scale above Vegito Blue.
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Why would they?
 
UchihaSlayer96 said:
Toyotaro came out and confirmed it in an interview iirc.

Why would they?
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Well, it's been several arcs since Vegito Blue appeared. I just find it weird that Vegito Blue scales that high above some current characters. An indication I saw Moro Arc MUI Goku being superior to Black Arc Blue Vegito is how much easier Goku beat Moro than Gogeta Blue beat Broly.

But honestly, that's just a strong feeling of mine.
 
Kin201 said:
Well, it's been several arcs since Vegito Blue appeared. I just find it weird that Vegito Blue scales that high above some current characters. An indication I saw Moro Arc MUI Goku being superior to Black Arc Blue Vegito is how much easier Goku beat Moro than Gogeta Blue beat Broly.

But honestly, that's just a strong feeling of mine.
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I don't wanna sound like an asshole, but those are textbook arguments from incredulity and belief.
 
Kin201 said:
Well, it's been several arcs since Vegito Blue appeared. I just find it weird that Vegito Blue scales that high above some current characters. An indication I saw Moro Arc MUI Goku being superior to Black Arc Blue Vegito is how much easier Goku beat Moro than Gogeta Blue beat Broly.

But honestly, that's just a strong feeling of mine.
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Power Creep is not THAT strong in the manga, christ-

We don't know where Broly stands in the scaling in the Manga.
 
UchihaSlayer96 said:
I don't wanna sound like an asshole, but those are textbook arguments from incredulity and belief.
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Actually...
During Granolah's Arc, at the beginning, Goku asks Whis if he knows if there's anyone stronger than them (Vegeta and Goku), and Whis denies... Wouldn't that imply MUI and SSBE > MSSJ Broly?
 
UchihaSlayer96 said:
That would be the case, yeah. Could you show me the statement, please?
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Hmm.. Does that mean my scaling is worth considering? I guess the argument now is how does Broly scale to Vegito Blue. I think he does since he fought a stronger character than Vegito Blue.
 
Broly should scale to Gogeta Blue to some extent even though Gogeta was beating him for the majority of the fight tbh. It took Gogeta some effort to beat him iirc.
 
If the broly vs gogeta fight in the manga is anything like it is in the movie then broly somewhat scales to gogeta which would mean scaling SSBE Vegeta above SSB Vegito is plausible.
 
The manga didn't get it's own version. In the movie, it took no effort from Blue Gogeta. Broly couldn't land a punch on him, A SINGLE ONE.
So scaling the speed seems completely exaggerated
 
UchihaSlayer96 said:
Yeah, this pretty conclusively proves Post-Moro Goku and Vegeta are above Broly
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Not even just that, but it was LITERALLY stated by Toyotaro that the top 3 strongest mortals in universe 7(before Gas came and had the wish) was Granolah, Goku and Vegeta(though he didn’t specify on Goku and vegeta tho) but the point still stands tho that by the granolas arc Goku and vegeta should be above broly
 
Kin201 said:
Movie is canon to the manga as well. Broly actually could react to some of Gogeta's attacks.
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Broly got effortlessly stomped by Gogeta. He toyed with him the entire time once using SSB and did not exert himself in the slightest. In fact, he likely wasn't even close to full power as he did not needed to power up in Blue at all
 
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
Broly got effortlessly stomped by Gogeta. He toyed with him the entire time once using SSB and did not exert himself in the slightest. In fact, he likely wasn't even close to full power as he did not needed to power up in Blue at all
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Further support is the Novelization said Gogeta only used a hint of his power against Broly
 
JirensMom said:
Further support is the LN said Gogeta only used a hint of his power against Broly
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Yeah. He went Blue just to flex on Broly and nothing more. Broly would at most scale to SSJ Gogeta by him transforming further.

That will also scale to Jiren, Perfected UI Goku (ToP, Moro Saga and Granolah Saga), Angel Moro, UE Vegeta, Granolah and Gas
 
Because all of them are stronger than SSJ Broly. In the manga SSB Goku and Vegeta could somewhat keep up with Broly before they fused into Gogeta
 
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