The Karate Kid vs Bane (GRACE)

[RanaProGamer]

So I got into Cobra Kai and just fell in love with the show. So I'd thought it would be interesting to see Daniel all grown up and in his prime against one of the deadliest hand to hand combatants.

Standard Battle Assumptions

Speed equalized.

No optional equipment.

Daniel LaRusso (Post-Time Skip) vs Bane (Dark Knight Trilogy)

Who wins and why?

 

[KillerH]

IIRC Daniel AP is >87725.91J. How strong is Bane?

 

[Comiphorous]

IIRC Daniel AP is >87725.91J. How strong is Bane?

looks like he's baseline.

 

[KillerH]

Baseline wall level is 15000 J. Daniel has practically 6x AP advantage. Based on his fight with Batman he is the striking type of fighter. A fast singular strike instead of Rapid consecutive strikes like many kung-fu movies. Daniel, a Karateka should be able to handle his fighting style. Bane isn't really expert in parrying meaning Daniel should be able to land some strikes. One strike of Daniel will seriously injure bane if not outright KO him. I would love to see more inputs. Voting daniel atm.

 

[DivineAura44]

This feels so wrong.

 

[DivineAura44]

I'm looking through it and doesn't Daniel outskill?

 

[RanaProGamer]

IIRC Daniel AP is >87725.91J. How strong is Bane?

looks like he's baseline.

Baseline wall level is 15000 J. Daniel has practically 6x AP advantage. Based on his fight with Batman he is the striking type of fighter. A fast singular strike instead of Rapid consecutive strikes like many kung-fu movies. Daniel, a Karateka should be able to handle his fighting style. Bane isn't really expert in parrying meaning Daniel should be able to land some strikes. One strike of Daniel will seriously injure bane if not outright KO him. I would love to see more inputs. Voting daniel atm.

I'm looking through it and Daniel outskill?

Ok, so Bane recently got upgraded and is 3x stronger than Daniel, do you guys still vote Daniel?

 

[DivineAura44]

Ok, so Bane recently got upgraded and is 3x stronger than Daniel, do you guys still vote Daniel?

I never voted. However I still think Daniel might outskill, not only is pressure point usage is insane and he would just wail on the defenseless Bane. Also he is above lowballed Daniel. Scaling chain should be like this. Daniel > Mike Barnes > Chozen > Unbalanced Chozen = 87725.91 J

 

[Comiphorous]

isn't bane's entire thing being stronger than his opponent and beating the shit out of them through strength? doesn't really matter he has superior skill when his entire thing is beating someone up who has the superior skill to him (batman) via sheer brute strength, along with his LS advantage he should take this.

 

[Propellus]

Keep in mind Nolan Bane scales to 262,372.68305 joules

 

[DivineAura44]

isn't bane's entire thing being stronger than his opponent and beating the shit out of them through strength? doesn't really matter he has superior skill when his entire thing is beating someone up who has the superior skill to him (batman) via sheer brute strength, along with his LS advantage he should take this.

Daniel should probably scale far higher in strength than that of Batman tho due to the scaling chain.

 

[Comiphorous]

Daniel should probably scale far higher in strength than that of Batman tho due to the scaling chain.

Ok, so Bane recently got upgraded and is 3x stronger than Daniel, do you guys still vote Daniel?

 

[DivineAura44]

I'm aware Bane is 3x stronger than lowballed Daniel. Not my point at all. I'm saying Daniel doesn't scale to 87725.91J he is >>>>87725.91J is my point. In which case he'd probably stronger than Batman. Also Batman was on the offensive against Bane who was stronger. He even got the first hits. However Daniel is way more skilled defensively and would probably deal with Bane way better seeing as he probably is just as strong as Bane and is way better defensively. Yeah Bane overcomes skill with strength but how he gonna overcome it when they are pretty relative?

 

[Propellus]

I'm aware Bane is 3x stronger than lowballed Daniel. Not my point at all. I'm saying Daniel doesn't scale to 87725.91J he is >>>>87725.91J is my point. In which case he'd probably stronger than Batman. Also Batman was on the offensive against Bane who was stronger. He even got the first hits. However Daniel is way more skilled defensively and would probably deal with Bane way better seeing as he probably is just as strong as Bane and is way better defensively. Yeah Bane overcomes skill with strength but how he gonna overcome it when they are pretty relative?

But we don't even know how much stronger he got

 

[DivineAura44]

But we don't even know how much stronger he got

Daniel rn >>> Mike Barnes > Daniel > Chozen > Chozen when he's dazed is an accurate chain.

 

[Propellus]

But anyways, what's stopping Bane from breaking his back?

 

[DivineAura44]

But anyways, what's stopping Bane from breaking his back?

Daniel not letting himself get grabbed

 

[Propellus]

Daniel not letting himself get grabbed

He's eventually gonna catch him, especially the fact that his Class 1 LS is pretty tearjerking for him.

 

[Comiphorous]

bump

Daniel not letting himself get grabbed

just saying daniel wont let himself get grabbed is pretty weak argument considering he's fighting a grappler and has lower stamina than bane

he's gonna slip up when the odds are heavily against him besides skill.

 

[Propellus]

Ergo, Bane breaks him

 

[DivineAura44]

bump

just saying daniel wont let himself get grabbed is pretty weak argument considering he's fighting a grappler and has lower stamina than bane

he's gonna slip up when the odds are heavily against him besides skill.

1. Would probably just beat on Bane once he misses due to his amazing counterattacking skill.
2. No he doesn't, I don't know who told you this but it's High, a stamina category which was stated to not be used and needs to be removed vs Atlethic. So in other words Bane doesn't even have a stamina so nothing could tip you off to believe that. Coupled with grabbing taking more energy than dodging chances are Banes gonna be tired before Daniel however I will not use that as an argument as he has no definitive stamina.
3. Nah chief.

 

[DivineAura44]

He's eventually gonna catch him, especially the fact that his Class 1 LS is pretty tearjerking for him.

What does higher LS have to do with it being harder to dodge? You say he's gonna eventually catch him but chances are, he beats Bane down after missing enough times.

 

[Propellus]

1. Would probably just beat on Bane once he misses due to his amazing counterattacking skill.
2. No he doesn't, I don't know who told you this but it's High, a stamina category which was stated to not be used and needs to be removed vs Atlethic. So in other words Bane doesn't even have a stamina so nothing could tip you off to believe that. Coupled with grabbing taking more energy than dodging chances are Banes gonna be tired before Daniel however I will not use that as an argument as he has no definitive stamina.
3. Nah chief.

How exactly is Daniel going to get out of a literal Class 1 grapple?

 

[DivineAura44]

Ergo, Bane breaks him

No he not

 

[DivineAura44]

How exactly is Daniel going to get out of a literal Class 1 grapple?

He dodges before he gets grabbed, what are you talking about?

 

[Propellus]

He dodges before he grabbed what are you talking about?

He's still gonna eventually catch him, he can't just keep on dodging forever, and also, Nolan Bane is literally known to be grappling a lot

 

[DivineAura44]

He's still gonna eventually catch him, he can't just keep on dodging forever, and also, Nolan Bane is literally known to be grappling a lot

You say he's gonna eventually catch him but chances are, he beats Bane down after missing enough times.

 

[Propellus]

Ye but here's the thing, how's pressure points going to work out when he literally feels no pain? And how would daniel know that his mask is the weakness?

 

[DivineAura44]

Ye but here's the thing, how's pressure points going to work out when he literally feels no pain? And how would daniel know that his mask is the weakness?

1. Pressure points focus on messing up nerves, not dealing damage.
2. People tend to hit the face.

 

[Propellus]

1. Pressure points focus on messing up nerves, not dealing damage.
2. People tend to hit the face.

1. They sometimes do that in order to immobilize people effectively.

2. And considering that Bane caught a punch from Batman with ease, what makes you think he won't catch his strikes?

 

[Propellus]

And also, do keep in mind that Bane literally has the most AP advantage over Daniel

 

[DivineAura44]

1. They sometimes do that in order to immobilize people effectively.

2. And considering that Bane caught a punch from Batman with ease, what makes you think he won't catch his strikes?

1. Your point?
2. Daniel will be counterattacking, striking when Bane is in a position to not be able to block or counter.

 

[DivineAura44]

And also, do keep in mind that Bane literally has the most AP advantage over Daniel

Keep in mind, this so called AP advantage is minimal if even there at all.

 

[Propellus]

1. Your point?
2. Daniel will be counterattacking, striking when Bane is in a position to not be able to block or counter.

1. My point being that the pressure point strikes can also apply pain onto the opponent, which Bane is easily going to resist anything Daniel throws at him.

Keep in mind, this so called AP advantage is minimal if even there at all.

And also, can you prove that? Because the gap between literally 262 and 87 is pretty far behind, and there's no telling how much stronger Daniel's gotten to that point. So therefore, Bane has the AP advantage, and he's going to inflict the most damage onto him when his attacks land

 

[DivineAura44]

1. My point being that the pressure point strikes can also apply pain onto the opponent, which Bane is easily going to resist anything Daniel throws at him.


And also, can you prove that? Because the gap between literally 262 and 87 is pretty far behind, and there's no telling how much stronger Daniel's gotten to that point. So therefore, Bane has the AP advantage.

1. That doesn't matter. He's still gonna be paralyzed from the attack due to nerve damage.
2. If someone no sells and attack, they scale far above it and will scale above the next person with .1 ap higher. That's the point I'm making. Even if Bane = 262, Daniel scaling >>>>>> 87 should make them relatively close.

 

[Propellus]

1. That doesn't matter. He's still gonna be paralyzed from the attack due to nerve damage.
2. If someone no sells and attack, they scale far above it and will scale above the next person with .1 ap higher. That's the point I'm making. Even if Bane = 262, Daniel scaling >>>>>> 87 should make them relatively close.

And using your logic since you said that Daniel wouldn't let Bane grapple, Bane isn't going to let him do any pressure point strikes since he's just going to overwhelm him most of the battle. And again, Daniel is fighting someone who is usually a grappler in battle, and also, Bane is just going to keep catching most of his attacks and keep pressuring him with the blows he'll inflict onto him. And Bane even crushed a guy's throat just by stepping on it once and he even crushed a guy's neck with his grip strength alone.

 

[DivineAura44]

And using your logic since you said that Daniel wouldn't let Bane grapple, Bane isn't going to let him do any pressure point strikes since he's just going to overwhelm him most of the battle. And again, Daniel is fighting someone who is usually a grappler in battle, and also, Bane is just going to keep catching most of his attacks and keep pressuring him with the blows he'll inflict onto him. And Bane even crushed a guy's throat just by stepping on it once and he even crushed a guy's neck with his grip strength alone.

1. I explained why Bane wouldn't be able to block the pressure point strikes.
2. Bane probably won't catch him due to Daniel's amazing dodging ability.
3. This whole last part is literally just red herring.




P.S. stop repeating arguments I've debunked.

 

[Propellus]

1. I explained why Bane wouldn't be able to block the pressure point strikes.
2. Bane probably won't catch him due to Daniel's amazing dodging ability.
3. This whole last part is literally just red herring.




P.S. stop repeating arguments I've debunked.

1. You haven't really explained why exactly Bane would not be able to block the pressure point strikes which isn't even that valid, and also, those don't even last very long, and besides, Bane literally possesses a tolerance to pain.

2. And you do realize that Daniel needs time to concentrate while doing that right? Bane is not just going to sit there and let them upgrade himself.

3. And also, that is literally relevant to his AP.

And you've hardly debunked anything.

 

[DivineAura44]

1. You haven't really explained why exactly Bane would not be able to block the pressure point strikes which isn't even that valid, and also, those don't even last very long, and besides, Bane literally possesses a tolerance to pain.

2. And you do realize that Daniel needs time to concentrate while doing that right? Bane is not just going to sit there and let them upgrade himself.

3. And also, that is literally relevant to his AP.

And you've hardly debunked anything.

1. He'd do it in counter attack when Bane can't strike back.
2. No he doesn't; He needs it against really formidable attacking people who've been honing their attack skill for decades, not Bane.
3. Giving AP feats that scale far below the characters is hardly revelant.

 

[Propellus]

1. He'd do it in counter attack when Bane can't strike back.
2. No he doesn't; He needs it against really formidable attacking people who've been honing their attack skill for decades, not Bane.
3. Giving AP feats that scale far below the characters is hardly revelant.

1. He's not gonna do that forever, and Bane has literally countered attacks from Batman himself.
2. Then where did you get the "amazing dodging skills" from? What difference does that even make from his average reaction speed?
3. AP feats that scale below his AP just displays of how much stronger Bane is.