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one can interact with nep 2, can one interact with acasuality 5 too?
using Feats from nep 2
using Feats from nep 2
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Question about Nep 2 and acasuality 5
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Entirely different things.
One of them you can't interact because they don't exist at all.
The other one you can't interact because any attempt will probably result in some causalities going haywire.
One of them you can't interact because they don't exist at all.
The other one you can't interact because any attempt will probably result in some causalities going haywire.
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There's no standard to say that it could, but theoritically, both are unrestricted to reality on all levels. Type 5's are unbound by cause-effect on conceptual level, while NEP 2 beings cannot participate with reality since they do not have personal concept to begin with (reality is made up by concepts).
Anyway not really, NPI is just NPI. Although, I don't really see a reason how a Void Manipulation that is able to affect Type 2 Nonexistent is unable to hax them (Type 5 acausals) in question.
Anyway not really, NPI is just NPI. Although, I don't really see a reason how a Void Manipulation that is able to affect Type 2 Nonexistent is unable to hax them (Type 5 acausals) in question.
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No, You can have NEP and interact with things that aren’t NEP.
Unless if has feats of affecting acasulty t5 void manip wouldent be able to affect it
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You can't, I honestly have no idea how could you concluded that, NEP 2 can't interact with reality with no feats and hence why, most of NEP 2 matches ends inconclusive.
The same way how Platonic concepts (Type 2 concepts, False Platonic forms) were able to affect Type 5 acausals even with the absence of feats because they are unbound by all reality on conceptual level, I don't really see why would "no feat = no effecto" is the case here.
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Lol, practically every NEP2 character on this wiki can interact with reality, they don't have limitations when interacting with reality,, I don't know where you get that if you are NEP2 you can't interact with reality by default
Edit, Nvm i see in the NEP2 page that hey have that limitation
- As the user no longer exists, they may be unable to interact with reality.
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Because NEP 2 lacks an aspect that made up the reality itself, just because majority of people said so that doesn't mean the wiki treat it as such, you can't participate with concepts if you don't have one.
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What is match that incon because NEP type 2 can't interact with reality? Link about it?
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Give me at least 1 example of NEP2 character that cannot interact with reality.
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No, I should've been the one here that should ask, give me an argument why would a nonexistent can interact with an existent.
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You can't even give me one example? ok, i'm asking you since you're the only one that's saying that but you don't want give me an example
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I'm not the only one that said this especially when the page itself already said it lol, you even quoted it. What's up with the denialism?
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Yeah, i haven't seen that too... Just incon cuz most of the dudes can't interact with NEP2
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Kay, but give me at least one example of that case
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no, because they both have different ways of working even though they are not limited by all realities in all levels
but it's also okay if there are feats that show he can interact with both.
but it's also okay if there are feats that show he can interact with both.
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Most of NEP2 ends as incon due to NEP2 can't be interacted, at least give me one example of this
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That's why I said they can't do it without feats.
I honestly don't need to, since that's really how it works. You can't participate with a stuff that you're completely unrelated to, you can't interact with existent as a nonexistent being, you can't participate with concepts if you don't have a concept and thus you can't interact with reality with no notable feats. You can ask any conceptual expertists here or either just look at the Nonexistent Physiology page, I'm positive that I'm correct.
As for the matches, either they weren't done properly or people tends to stucked with appeal to popularity.
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I'll say something before I go.... All NEP2 characters in this wiki can interact with reality. Bye
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Yeah, keep believing the wrong with the false premises isn't really a good idea. That's appeal to popularity.
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You are the one who says that most of the NEP2 matches end incon because of that reason, and I am asking you to tell me which match has ended incon because of that reason, to give me the link or the character, but you don't want to and the reason is because that has never happened.
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Whether I'm mistaken the past matches about how they gets inconed or not, that doesn't change the fact that NEP 2 can't interact with reality with no feats, both logically and via page description. You're the one that insisted that they can because the previous matches treated them as so without elaborating at least more constructive arguments on regard why they could.
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No…… NEP 2 fights end up as incon usually cus the OTHER character cannot interact with NEP not cus the NEP user themselves can’t interact with the opposition. Ofc I’m not saying it’s impossible but we don’t just assume that from the get go. Can you give 1 example where this is case.
I just want to make sure I understand, what your saying: that void manipulation can INHERITLY interact with acasuality type 5
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Yeah no, NEP2 can't interact with reality without feats, it's just that popular NEP2 characters can do that, because they have the feats to do it of course.
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What you said is somewhat true but it's not just popular,instead all of NEP type 2 in this wiki can do that
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I'm probably mistaken on the part, I've seen many guys misinterpreted how Tiering/Hax works so I'd be no surprise if they said that NEP 2 could do it even without feats, even though it has been elaborated in the page that most of the time (means without feats) they couldn't.
Na, I said a Void Manipulation that could manipulate a fundamental existence (Type 2 nonexistence) like a void that predates all concepts or anything alike, I never said Void Manipulation in general.
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In theory, NEP2 is unbounded by causality itself, to the point no one can interact with it without feats, and anything regarding causality won't hit NEP2. It sounds similar to Aca 5.
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Not all.
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For example?
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Why are you asking for example? Generally, NEP2 characters can't interact with reality.
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Then try to stick with the fact rather than using appeal to popularity, I guess? Those who can means that they do have feats, those who can't means them who do not have the feat, I can't really say which one but definitely those who have no feat to reality interaction definitely can't interact with reality via Occam's Razor.
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You don't need an example of "I can't" in order to prove that he can't, you just need to know on whether he ever done it or not, otherwise you're shifting burden of proof here.
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I think you don't understand my question,I ask an example for a NEP type 2 character in this wiki that can't interact with reality (because you said "not all"),I'm not talking in general
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Actually tbh thinking about it more, I think I’m mistaken here. Logically speaking if something can’t interact with something, then the vice versa would be true unless feats are demonstrated.
So void manip that can interact with nep2 can interact with aca type 5? Why ?
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I never said that it could via our standards though, but in my opinion yes it could, it'd be like how the past Type 2 concepts are able to do so because they are unbound by the reality on all levels, which something Type 2 nonexistent does too. Also, being a Type 5 acausal doesn't translate to resistance for fundamental nonexistent manipulation (like manipulating Type 2 nonexistent or whatsoever) especially when said hax has nothing to do with cause-effect.
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How is nep 2 = to unbound by all levels of reality.
rest of reality not being able to interact with such does not mean the nep user would be unbound by it. Essentially what your saying is that anyone with nep type 2 cannot exist on the same casualty system as normal ppl.
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