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Some pvz questions and cleaning up issues

ZillertheBucko

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according to his profile, it is acknowledged that he can tank multiple ohko plants from pvz1
why does this not make him a higher tier since he should be at least twice as powerful
or at the very least, he should have a durability increase, since I'm not sure if his AP can scale to his durability, as all the ohko plants die instantly
also why does pvz1 not scale to pvz1 when pvz2 is canon and the plants are the same?
also zomboss crushing roof cleaners, which can one shot giga gargantuars with no damage, is a feat that should be acknowledged in the profile
pvz1 zombot also can tank tons of jalapenos, which still isn't acknowledged in his profile
I mean I think there's lots of minor and some major cleaning up due for the entire pvz verse personally
but I'd like to hear some answers first
 
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I don't think tanking multiple hits means your durability is multiple times higher, it's just higher
 
EmilioRory10 said:
I don't think tanking multiple hits means your durability is multiple times higher, it's just higher
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I feel like it does though
I'm going to assume here that the wiki supports some of the most basic possible math
they probably would accept that having two times the durability of a building level AP, would grant you the dura of twice whatever they plant has
this goes more so for giga garg, since 4 times small building level is certaintly at least building level, no?
 
ZillerBucko said:
I feel like it does though
I'm going to assume here that the wiki supports some of the most basic possible math
they probably would accept that having two times the durability of a building level AP, would grant you the dura of twice whatever they plant has
this goes more so for giga garg, since 4 times small building level is certaintly at least building level, no?
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First, no, we don't upscale durability to the amount of hits taken, as that simply inflates results, but if a feat is perfomed with an amount of hits the result will be divided by that amount of hits
And second, 4 times Small Building Level isn't necessarily Building Level, Small Building Level starts at 0.005 tons of tnt and Building Level at 0.25 tons, the difference is 50 times
 
EmilioRory10 said:
First, no, we don't upscale durability to the amount of hits taken, as that simply inflates results, but if a feat is perfomed with an amount of hits the result will be divided by that amount of hits
And second, 4 times Small Building Level isn't necessarily Building Level, Small Building Level starts at 0.005 tons of tnt and Building Level at 0.25 tons, the difference is 50 times
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hmmmm
I kinda wanna see the calcs for whatever got pvz the small building level in the first place
 
also there's some more flaws
browncoats being "comparable" to yeti zombie despite yeti being much stronger
they use damage values on profiles, which honestly I'm not against at all (even if the wiki is) but then contradict this philosophy by not scaling wall nut hp with cherry bomb ap
also they use browncoat durability to justify wall nut durability, when in reality the justification should be it can kill zombies in wallnut bowling without being damaged seemingly
also the gargantuar profile includes pretty clear justification for building level tier, which hasn't been calculated yet
and just in general the entirety of the verse has profiles FILLED with absolutely pointless, inaccurate, and vague scaling
I have yet to see why pvz2 characters are consistently stronger than pvz1 characters. the profiles literally don't explain it whatsoever
also sunflower has no separated pvz1 and 2 profile, which is fine, and the problem with it is the fact that all other profiles are separated
pvz2 and pvz1 plants have no reason to have gotten stronger, and yes there was a leveling system introduced, they should still scale to the tutorial plants which are the exact same as they were left off in pvz1
there's a lot more to talk about, a TON more, but I can get to that later
there is an insane amount of cleaning up to do with the profiles already
 
and don't even get me started on the fact that the verse is extremely lacking in profiles
at the very least, browncoat should get new keys or standard equipment for conehead and buckethead, screen door
and the winter melon feat doesn't seem to have any kind of calc, everything about the verse is incredibly vague
 
by the way another issue
both pvz1 and pvz2 keys scale from the comics, which means they should scale to eachother so
pvz1 8-C
and that'd probably make pvz1 zomboss 8-B, going off of his hp, but I'm not entirely sure
 
every time I look through the pvz profiles the more questions need answering
why do pvz1 and 2 have different keys when they're both canon
why is gargantuars surviving an explosion not calced
why is there so much missing scaling
why are yeti zombies comparable to browncoats despite yetis being far stronger
why is winter melon's AP small building level, browncoats are capable of surviving an attack from it, and then they don't have that level of AP???
and wall nut headed zombies can tank hits from winter melon, and should be 9-A
Zomboss pvz1 should be 8-C through sheer size most likely (if you look at the size of the house, it's actually insanely massive) and the fact that he tanks like 50 hits from jalapenos and can destroy gargantuar crushing roof cleaners should be a major red flag
also just general issues with the entire verse is that most of the zombie damage is damage over time, not actual striking power
gargantuar, zomboss, and ohko plants being the exception of course
 
ZillerBucko said:
why is winter melon's AP small building level, browncoats are capable of surviving an attack from it, and then they don't have that level of AP???
and wall nut headed zombies can tank hits from winter melon, and should be 9-A
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that's durability, not AP, Idk what to say about the oher things
 
I’m still unsure how I’m gonna prove zomboss has a higher tier if I can’t use a game mechanics excuse
If I can though, then it would be really easy
But all I have to go off of is giga gargantuars being weaker, and the lawnmower crushing feat
Then again I don’t see why they wouldn’t allow game mechanics arguments, considering there’s really no other way to properly scale it, as well as the fact that the profile already uses it for cherry bomb AP justification
And if we just considering that giga garg should be 4 times higher than cherry bomb which is significantly stronger than winter melon, which already upscale from 9-A
There’s no way that isn’t gonna be at least low 8-C pvz1 zomboss if we just go by all of that
And every zombie in the game can survive at least one winter melon attack too, some of the stronger ones surviving like 10
 
new issues:
football z profile contradicts itself, it says that it can tank multiple winter melon attacks, yet the 9-A rating is only a "possibly" for no reason. It should be 9-A
and if we're going by the hp he has, it's probably gonna be higher
 
ZillerBucko said:
new issues:
football z profile contradicts itself, it says that it can tank multiple winter melon attacks, yet the 9-A rating is only a "possibly" for no reason. It should be 9-A
and if we're going by the hp he has, it's probably gonna be higher
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Other problem is that this profile uses the GW zombies as = to normal game zombies
 
JustANormalLemon said:
Other problem is that this profile uses the GW zombies as = to normal game zombies
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hmmmm which part of it are you talking about, I don't see that on the football zombie profile
if it is there though I'm unsure what to do with it, since the canonicity of pvz is a bit of a mystery to me currently
 
Actually I just made the crt because I don't feel like bumping this for another lifetime
 
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