No, I don’t believe you have
Cell knows that if he's hit by a powerful enough attack he will die, and Goku was capable of doing that. Cell was not suppressed at all, he was expecting the attack to come from above but was shocked because he didn't think goku would actually destroy earth. But he was still expecting a kamehameha so he was in fact not suppressed at all, another proof is that a weaker vegeta's charged attack almost killed a non off guard cell. the reason why cell did nothing to respond is because he couldn't, he could only react to it but the beam was too fast to do anything.
If he expected him to shoot the laser then why was he surprised at the instant transmission
Because goku looked like he was about to shoot it up there but he didn't and planed ahead, Cell was ready for Goku to shoot the attack, he just didn't expect the instant transmission. But just because he didn't expect it, doesn't mean he was suppressed, that's stupid, he's in the middle of a fight and is looking at a dude who is preparing to launch a world ending beam at him.
This argument would be good if it were true, but
It wasn't charging, it was cinematic timing, cell barely reacted and was already shot, simple logic debunks this, why would goku teleport if the charging hadn't already finished lmao?
I already explained why that doesn’t apply to Godzilla unless there is proof of it
So cell looks at goku before he shoots the kamehameha, but you just decide that he already shot him at that moment? Even though that’s visibly untrue?
I already told you that he could only react to it, but by the time Cell tried to do anything, he would have already been hit.
Why wouldn't it be applied to Godzilla? Especially if he literally can't sense were goku is? Goku just simply IT kamehameha Godzilla. He wouldn't even have the time to react or do anything
The sequence was this
“Anything” includes defending himself then
Or or
Dragon ball is a verse where their high durability isn’t passive, and they actually have to actively defend themselves and power up to have it, there are plenty of examples of this
No his durability is already above Goku's, yet he was blown up. Saying his guard wasn't up and therefore he is suppressed is wrong since he can still be caught off guard without being suppressed, you're basically implying that Cell was so suppressed that anyone down there could blink him if they wanted. Or you're implying that DB characters have to be constantly defending themselves 24/7 for them to have the durability they scale to which is ridiculous.
Ok let’s say you’re right
But Godzilla has less dura than goku? Plus goku can hit people above his weight class with charged kamehameha, plus this "Low off gaurd" happened thrice, one is a filler, the other two were goku wasn't even in battle mod, and ths other goku was getting rusty. Plus cell doesn't have this weakness, only goku. And before you say "Well he is part goku" and he is also part other people that doesn't have this weakness. The kamehameha makes goku stronger by focusing his ki on a specific point, the middle point between his palms, thus increasing his overall stats, which makes him go toe to toe against people with higher dura and ap as his, Something Godzilla isn't
It’s not ridiculous, it’s proven.
Or or even a better one
Did you just use filler, and two instances of not being battle mod, and using one character to generalize a whole verse....?
Ok but, kamehameha should already be taken into account in the AP, given that it’s basically his main move
1. We’re using anime goku
It does, kamehameha makes him able to harm/obliterate foes that are stronger than him, he can amp himself while charging and doing the kamehameha
The first two examples Goku was manually extremely suppressed. The lazer example was plot induced stupidity since Goku had no reason to drop his guard but that doesn't apply to every character it only happens when Goku drops his guard and suppresses himself, but his natural durability is when he's at his strongest so cell then would be large star level.
1. “Lacks senses” he has enhanced senses, and there’s no reason he couldn’t just increase his senses, he just hasn’t fought an enemy where that would be necessary
But he wasn't in the middle of battle? Why would he be in battle mod if there...isn't any battle going on?
Sleeping is pretty different from being suppressed, I think you understand why that is
1- yeah, does he have senses were he can sense your emotional state, difference in power levels, pinpoint your location with you energy signature or by using the air current? Because goku uses after images on people that are faster than him [Cell and frieza], people that have senses like him or even better [Piccolo and cell], and people that are him...but better in every way [Cell]. Tell me how can Godzilla answer the after image
You’re missing the point
Yeah he was surprised, but why he would he let his guard down in the middle of the fight, it's not even noted in their profile, it's literally just kamehameha being a good technique were he can obliterate people with higher Dura, and his After image can work against people that are equal/faster than him
Yes, lowering your guard lowers your dura. Unlike for cell and frieza who have naturally high dura and can only go up and not down unless they actively create a form were their dura is weaker.
Goku fighting an oozaru does not mean he can utilize years of martial arts against humans for fighting a giant, so that’s not relevant
On the contrary, I believe it’s your responsibility to show how high his natural durability scales to his durability with ki
Not just sleeping, during that whole period, goku was extremely casual and suppressed.
Final flash is a different technique, and it was charged for an insane amount of time
This is the chapter were the final flash happens, Vegeta only charged it for 3 pages, not that long at all, it's just that the anime made it longer. This vegeta is weaker and the final flash is comparable to the kamehameha's power. Cell was at the same level of power he was at vs Goku, since korin and the others knew exactly how powerful he was but were surprised by his full power meaning that he was using the same level of power until fighting SSJ2 Gohan. And him having underestimated vegeta's attack doesn't downplay cell, instead it buffs the final flash. This is not the only time something like this happens, there are countless examples of comparable characters one shotting each other with charged attacks in fact, here's a perfect one, SSJ2 Gohan at 50% power was barely holding cell off, but his charged kamehameha one shot super perfect cell who's comparable to said 50% gohan proving for fact that this is consistent, and that Goku's example is viable. You still cannot actually prove cell was suppressed against Goku so Goku would be able to one shot Godzilla.
