Shinra Kusakabe Vs. Deku

[Valiant_Abyss]

Speed Equalization Rules and Assumptions from the Versus Thread Rules Page.

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

I thought they were starting with their 7-A forms.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Well that clears things up somewhat, but i'm still confused on whether Shinra is STARTING in Adolla Burst or not.

 

[azontr]

No mate, he already starts with it, that's why he put two 7-A. Think a bit

Then this match is simply not in Shinra's favor :/

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

OP needs to specify still. They said he has it, but they haven't stated if he starts w/ it.

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

This is also true.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

If Shinra is starting in Adolla Burst, then its just a straight fight

If he doesn't, then this is just a "who one shots/speed blitzes first" between tiers

 

[azontr]

Uh.. Um-- Ah- Oh... I-Inconclusive....???

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

The OP says "both 7-A" so they are starting at 7-A (OP even listed their 7-A AP), which for Shinra it only means he is starting the fight already in Adolla Burst.

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

Oh, if that's the case, Deku takes it for massively outskilling and his greater versatility.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

The OP says "both 7-A" so they are starting at 7-A (OP even listed their 7-A AP), which for Shinra it only means he is starting the fight already in Adolla Burst.

Then Deku takes it, no doubt

 

[azontr]

I mean... Teeeeechnnniiiicaaaallllly speed is equalized according to the slower person's speed. So if Shinra amps Deku isn't going to get faster according to that. Just remembered that.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

I mean... Teeeeechnnniiiicaaaallllly speed is equalized according to the slower person's speed. So if Shinra amps Deku isn't going to get faster according to that. Just remembered that.

Deku has his own amps as well and methods to deal with speed amps.

 

[azontr]

Deku has his own amps as well and methods to deal with speed amps.

The difference between Sol to FTL and whatever Deku can amp himself to is b i g .

 

[Kingofwolves999]

The difference between Sol to FTL and whatever Deku can amp himself to is b i g .

So again, how much faster than light does shinra become?

 

[azontr]

So again, how much faster than light does shinra become?

Why does that matter if I may ask. It sounds like your attempting to say that Deku can even hope to touch Shinra when he's attempting to kick Deku to death at FTL speeds.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Why does that matter if I may ask. It sounds like your attempting to say that Deku can even hope to touch Shinra when he's attempting to kick Deku to death at FTL speeds.

Because speed equal? So how high his amp is actually matters?

In fact, I'm confused on how the amp even works in speed equal. Does he time travel regardless if he increases his speed further while in this state?

 

[azontr]

Amps are still valid win methods even with speed equalized according to what I've been told.

EDIT: Also, I told you that without amps, speed will be equalized to generally slower character's speed which is Deku who is MHS. And you do know the difference between FTL and MHS, correct?

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Amps are still valid win methods even with speed equalized according to what I've been told.

That is completely ignoring what I'm saying. I know that, I literally said Deku himself has amps.

What I'm asking is what happens when he speed amps. That's how he time travels right? So how does he even fight?

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Speed Equalization Rules and Assumptions from the Versus Thread Rules Page.

• The combat speed of that faster character is assumed to be equalized to the combat speed of the slower character. Every other speed the faster character has is reduced by the same multiplier. This includes the speed of any attacks, projectiles, reactions, perception, flight etc.
  • Speed Amplification techniques are assumed to grant the same percentile of increase to a character's equalized speeds, as they would to their usual speeds.

 

[StrawHatArslan]

Guys this isn’t hard. I literally put 7-A, this means they BOTH start with their 7-A key.

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

What I'm asking is what happens when he speed amps. That's how he time travels right? So how does he even fight?

not sure if this answers your question but:

Abilities based on speed are assumed to be retained. Characters that can run over water via speed can, for example, still do so even if now technically too slow for that. Likewise, a character who can create a tornado by running fast in a circle can still create one by this manner, even though they are now running slower.

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

Because speed equal? So how high his amp is actually matters?

In fact, I'm confused on how the amp even works in speed equal. Does he time travel regardless if he increases his speed further while in this state?

When speed is equalized, characters can still used their speed based abilities (e.g. Flash could still time travel even when speed is equalized against a Supersonic+ opponent.)

 

[Nierre]

So again, how much faster than light does shinra become?

I believe it's baseline ftl

 

[azontr]

Guys this isn’t hard. I literally put 7-A, this means they BOTH start with their 7-A key.

We've cleared that up friend. But speed is equalized to the slower character without speed equalized, which is Deku, so if Shinra uses a speed amp it won't matter if Deku amps because no amps he has or going to be enough to tag Shinra.

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

Guys this isn’t hard. I literally put 7-A, this means they BOTH start with their 7-A key.

Oh, if that's the case, Deku takes it for massively outskilling and his greater versatility.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

So how does he even fight?

Visual representation here

 

[azontr]

That is completely ignoring what I'm saying. I know that, I literally said Deku himself has amps.

What I'm asking is what happens when he speed amps. That's how he time travels right? So how does he even fight?

Why do you keep bringing up time travel? Even I said that it will not help him besides bringing him back to life whenever he turns into particles. And I'm going to say this again, so please listen. The difference between Sol to FTL and whatever Deku can speed amp himself to is b i g . Deku in no way shape or form is going to be able to touch Shinra if he uses his amps.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

not sure if this answers your question but:

Ok, that answers what happens if he speed amps while in this state.

Visual representation here

That is a much better explanation. So now I'm just asking how big of an amp it is. Because he can literally be 1.02x the speed of light and that is FTL. Which matters here, since deku would react to him rematerializing due to his precognition.

 

[Nierre]

It's an unknown amount. So I think the wiki has it at baseline ftl

 

[azontr]

That is a much better explanation. So now I'm just asking how big of an amp it is. Because he can literally be 1.02x the speed of light and that is FTL. Which matters here, since deku would react to him rematerializing due to his precognition.

And you didn't explain why it would matter so this didn't become circular before, why?

 

[Kingofwolves999]

If its baseline Deku should be fine to react to him rematerializing due to his Danger Sense. So he can dodge Shinra when he comes back to life.

And you didn't explain why it would matter so this didn't become circular before, why?

I feel like there's been a chain of miscommunication between the two of us. I'm certain I asked for the amount of his amp and the specifics of it several times. And I hardly believe anything has become circular. I was simply trying to understand how the ability worked.

 

[azontr]

I feel like there's been a chain of miscommunication between the two of us. I'm certain I asked for the amount of his amp and the specifics of it several times. And I hardly believe anything has become circular. I was simply trying to understand how the ability worked.

Perhaps, but I would've preferred for you to explain the reason that the how much Faster that Light Shinra becomes mattered instead of just asking. Would've made it much easier for me to respond.

 

[Therefir]

The difference between Sol to FTL and whatever Deku can speed amp himself to is b i g . Deku in no way shape or form is going to be able to touch Shinra if he uses his amps.

I don't think you know how that amp works, the difference between Speed of light and FTL is non-existent. Even being 1.001 times faster than SoL would make you FTL.

Deku becomes several times quicker using Fa Jin on top of his current state, making his amp much better in this scenario where they both start at the same speed.

 

[azontr]

I don't think you know how that amp works, the difference between Speed of light and FTL is non-existent. Even being 1.001 times faster than SoL would make you FTL.

While Deku becomes several times quicker using Fa Jin, making his amp much better in this scenario where they both start at the same speed.

I'm not saying the difference between Sol and FTL is big friend. I'm saying it's way faster than Deku by a long shot. I have no idea how you thought I was saying the difference between Sol and FTL is large.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

I don't think you know how that amp works, the difference between Speed of light and FTL is non-existent. Even being 1.001 times faster than SoL would make you FTL.

Deku becomes several times quicker using Fa Jin on top of his current state, making his amp much better in this scenario where they both start at the same speed.

Thing is, they are starting at MHS speeds due to how Speed Equal, while Shinra can amp to FTL.

 

[Therefir]

I'm not saying the difference between Sol and FTL is big friend. I'm saying it's way faster than Deku by a long shot. I have no idea how you thought I was saying the difference between Sol and FTL is large.

It is not, FTL is a extremely small tier and Shinra cannot be anything faster than that or otherwise he would be FTL+.

Without further proof, Shinra is around baseline FTL, that's all he can be.

 

[Therefir]

Thing is, they are starting at MHS speeds due to how Speed Equal, while Shinra can amp to FTL.

He is only FTL because he starts at SoL and then accelerates faster, thus becoming FTL, your amplification makes no sense.

 

[azontr]

It is not, FTL is a extremely small tier and Shinra cannot be anything faster than that or otherwise he would be FTL+.

Without further proof, Shinra is around baseline FTL, that's all he can be.

My Guy, I literally just said I'm not saying that.

I'm not saying the difference between Sol and FTL is big friend. I'm saying it's way faster than Deku by a long shot. I have no idea how you thought I was saying the difference between Sol and FTL is large.

Did you read this my friend?

 

[azontr]

He is only FTL because he starts at SoL and then accelerates faster, thus becoming FTL, your amp makes no sense.

Speed equalizes to the slower opponent. Shinra doesn't start at FTL then, therefore he can amp since Deku is slower than Shinra without equal speed.