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Anos Voldigoad Tier Removal/Downgrade

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Great_king_frog said:
anos is 2-B because he superior to venuzdonoa who has 2-B feats
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If you want to argue that Venuzdonoa could be 2-B because of that one statement, then sure, go ahead. However, claiming that Venuzdonoa has 2-B feats is completely incorrect. Venuzdonoa doesn't have any 2-B feats.

You should go read post #99.
 
AncientKing95 said:
Yes, I'm finally doing this. As much as I enjoy this series, I'm quite annoyed with the wanking. Therefore, I propose to remove Multiverse level from Anos' profile. At the very least, change Anos' Low 2-C and 2-B tiers to "Likely..." for now. Because fact of the matter is, Anos doesn't have any feats to support having these tiers.


For starters, we need to take Anos' greatest performed feats into account right now. We know he has;

-Casually moved the moon in front of the sun in order to create a solar eclipse with one hand: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Ionliosite/Maou_Gakuin:_Arnos_moves_the_moon

-Completely burned a world created by the Future God Nafta to ashes with <Egil Grone Angdroa>

-Completely destroyed the so-called boundless world that is the Land of Traces with the 6th step of the Nirvana Seven Steps <Gilieriam Naviem>/Destroyed traces of the Sun, Stars and Moon on the 3rd step as well

-Withstood the weight of the entire world with a pinky finger

-Destroyed a ship that was more durable than a small world with a single stomp of his foot

-Destroyed a glass doll that is made up of all the fire dew of an entire world in a single punch:

-Defeated Parrington, someone who burned down an entire world with <Egil Grone Angdroa>

-Fought on par with Yzak who can easily split the entire deep world into eight with his claws

-Destroyed the Abyss of Craving* that influenced the entire deep world that is Disaster World Eavezeino/The Abyss of Craving is where the concept of the Lion of Destruction formed and existed/*Not to be confused with the Abyss World that is 99+ layers deep


Unfortunately, I don't have all the links to support all these feats. Quite unprofessional, I know. However, any MG fan who is caught up to the wn could support me on this. Regardless, none of these feats are anywhere close to destroying a multiverse.


There is another thing that needs to be touched upon. That is the fact that the difference in layers aren't as great as people make them out to be. Balzarondo made the statement that even if he unleashed a spell to destroy their (Anos and co.) small world, it wouldn't damage their ship. Here's what people seem to overlook; Balzarondo and his crew are from Holy Sword World Hyphoria. Hyphoria is a deep world. As all deep layers are 21+, Balzarondo's ship has 21+ layers of durability. If Balzarondo's ship was only a single layer greater in durability and could still withstand an attack that can destroy a more shallow world, then that would be undeniable proof that the difference between even a single layer is uncountably greater. However, that simply isn't the case. So while the difference in layers are great, it's not as much as people like to imagine.


Now, we should talk about Anos' Magic Eyes of Chaotic Destruction. It is because of these eyes, no, rather, the weakened and suppressed version of these eyes that people assume that Anos is stronger than Venuzdonoa. With the suppressed/weakened version of these eyes, Anos was able to suppress Venuzdonoa/resist it's effects and easily beat the wielder of it, Avos Dilhevia. The Magic Eyes of Chaotic Destruction themselves are far superior to Venuzdonoa and the previous weakened form. And Anos isn't capable of controlling it's power either. When Anos opened these eyed during his fight with Elmide, the only thing it affected was the Abyss of Craving and the Disaster World Eavezeino. It didn't affect anything beyond that. If the Magic Eyes of Chaotic Destruction which are vastly superior to Venuzdonoa can only affect a single deep world, why would Venuzdonoa be able to affect all 99+ layers at once?


All in all, what the wanking really comes down to is Venuzdonoa.


*It should be noted that Anos has used a lot of his power during the Silver Sea, and the most he's done is exhibit deep-world+ destroying power.

I'll probably add some scans soon. At least within the next couple of days. Probably. But for now, I'll just have to count on fans of the series who are aware of all these feats.
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🤣🤣🤣
 
AncientKing95 said:
Anos has always been a Lion of Destruction. That's always been a part of his Destruction Source. He didn't suddenly gain more power after realizing he's a Lion of Destruction.
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Look bro, the more Anos' source comes into anhiliation, his source overcomes its own perdition and that increases his power. It was already stated by Ron Cruz.
 
AncientKing95 said:
Literally the only "evidence" for Venuzdonoa being 2-B is a single statement which wasn't even referring to the entire Silver Sea. The whole "no matter how eternal or infinite" part doesn't mean that it can destroy the entire Silver Sea. Furthermore, there's a difference between destroying all of creation itself and everything in creation. For instance, being able to destroy everything within a universe =/= destroying the entire universe itself. On top of that, Venuzdonoa has only destroyed concepts and people, not tiered structures. It's not some AoE that can just wreck literally everything. Past all this, Anos simply doesn't have feats close to 2-B in the series.

And did you not literally say that you reject Anos' 2-B tier?
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If Anos destroyed Silver Sea, then nothing will be left for us to read. THE END.
 
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InfiniteCosmology said:
Who agree with likely 2B? If there is someone, then he/she hasnot know about Maou Cosmology.
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Until now there seems to be only two persons who could agreed with a 'likely 2-B',
Oblivion_Of_The_Endless said:
Yes, however, since it comes purely from statements, Im not entirely opposed to "Low 2-C, likely 2-B" if thats actually what you are proposing here.
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imZer0Null said:
I could have agreed to "likely 2-B", since his 2-B rating isn't based on feats but rather on statements, but the "new evidence" you have presented don't at all suggest that Anos shouldn't have a solid 2-B rating.
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They at least seem to understand the opposition to 2-B and can agree with a likely, but that seem to be their limit and they don't really see the necessity to change it. So if the discussion is focused only in change it to a likely then there seem to be margin to talk, anything less than that would need a good amount of scans and good arguments.
 
This thread already rejected before and also someone questioning about the cosmology wheter it's 2-B or not which is Blatantly not a good question

Disagree
 
AncientKing95 said:
1. That is what not being able to control it's power indicates. If Anos can't control it's power, he can't control how much it destroys. Since it only destroyed what it did, that's what it is capable of. There was nothing to indicate that his Magic Eye of Chaotic Destruction wasn't at full power either. It goes both ways.

2. Venuzdonoa is supposed to be able to destroy all logic and reason. It should've been able to destroy the logic that it could be interfered with by the Magic Eyes of Purple Destruction. But it couldn't. Meaning that the hax of the Magic Eyes of Chaotic Destruction outperform the hax of Venuzdonoa.

3. "...when Venuzdonoa clearly wasn't at it's normal functioning capacity" - Proof? Venuzdonoa was functioning as it was supposed to when Avos was wielding it. It did exactly what she wanted, aside from when she tried to kill Anos. So to say that Venuzdonoa was clearly weaker when it was shown to be working fine just because it doesn't fit your narrative is ridiculous. You're going to need proof for that.

4. The magical formula used to create Venuzdonoa was created via Anos' magic power from his Source of Perdition. Venuzdonoa kind've acts like a seal for it's own formula. I don't see where I'm contradicting myself.
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1. Completely incorrect.
I'll give you a bad but simple analogy:
I have a bucket filled with water and my hand shakes uncontrollably. Once I pick the bucket up, the bucket will shake uncontrollably and spill some water, but it obviously won't immediately spill all the water out of the bucket. I can still move the bucket around to control where the water spills. If I wanted to, I could completely flip the bucket over, effectively throwing all the water out of the bucket.
The same goes for Anos' eye. He can't control his eye's power, thus there is always destruction flowing out of his eye, but simply opening his eye won't release all of it's destructive power. He can clearly control what his eye destroys, and that is evident in the feats themselves. If he wanted to, he could actually use the power of his eye, instead of just opening it and letting the overflowing destruction destroy what he wants destroyed.

You're also making a baseless assumption that Anos is using his eye's full power, when absolutely nothing indicates that it does, and the fact that he only opens his eye and doesn't directly use the destructive power contained within it also supports that he isn't using his full power.

Unless you provide proof that he was using his eye's full power, this specific argument is finished.

2 & 3. His Purple Destruction Eyes are specifically capable of only disrupting and destroying order. Venuzdonoa functions on the Destruction God's order, and if you disrupt or destroy that order it obviously won't be able to function as it normally does. Saying "But it's supposed to be able to do this and this" is completely incorrect. It can't do 'this and this' since it's only capable of doing 'this and this' while functioning normally, which it isn't.

You also provided the proof of this in your own argument. It functioned completely fine, except when it tried to affect Anos, since his eyes disrupted Venuzdonoa's order whenever it tried to affect him. You don't have to be stronger than something to disrupt how that something functions.

4. So you're saying that both what you said in this thread and what you said on discord is correct?
Then this thread can be closed.
You said that Venuzdonoa uses Anos' power from his source of perdition, so at the very least Anos must be on par with Venuzdonoa, and he's likely far superior to it.
Until you actually debunk Venuzdonoa being 2-B, Anos will also be 2-B as a result.
 
Miltia has 2-B creation feats

Anos while fighting eques also has pure 2-B feats


Venuzdonoa still capable to damaging deeper inhabitant without any contradiction


Each layer has it's own multiverse

Deeper layer see lower layer as small object
 
I don't if its right time to talk as this thread became like a big mess.But i would like to ask if it would be likely 2-B or just stays 2-B
 
InfiniteCosmology said:
So, you know. But why are you still arguing. Destroying more than 1 world and fighting with deeper world inhabitants counts as a 2B feat.
Silver Sea is a multiverse which holds 99+ multiverses within it.It is more like a low 1C feat than a 2B one.
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Destroying more than one world isn't a multiversal feat. Fighting deeper world inhabitants isn't a 2B feat either. Completely wrong.
 
AncientKing95 said:
Destroying more than one world isn't a multiversal feat. Fighting deeper world inhabitants isn't a 2B feat either. Completely wrong.
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Destroying more than one World is not 2-B feats becuase you must destroy 1001 world to reach that

But you can make it as supporting feats

Also while fighting eques, milita create devil garden which is more durable than thousand and hundred world lol

And fighting deeper world could be argued as 2-B feats since each layer has it's own multiverse and deeper layer inhabitant could destroy it with their existence

Silver Walter shogi also show us that, the deeper world inhabitant power capable to affecting more than one universe
 
RamadhanDayYet said:
Miltia has 2-B creation feats

Anos while fighting eques also has pure 2-B feats


Venuzdonoa still capable to damaging deeper inhabitant without any contradiction


Each layer has it's own multiverse

Deeper layer see lower layer as small object
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Militia creating a universe isn't a 2B feats. Nothing in the Anos v Eques fight was 2B either. Venuzdonoa damaging a deeper inhabitant isn't anywhere close to destroying the entire Silver Sea. The Silver Sea is just a giant multiverse. And deeper layers don't see more shallow layers as small objects. This is by far your most incorrect statement. In the first place, the deeper layers are the lower layers.
 
AncientKing95 said:
Militia creating a universe isn't a 2B feats. Nothing in the Anos v Eques fight was 2B either.
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It's 2-B feats for creating devil garden
AncientKing95 said:
Venuzdonoa damaging a deeper inhabitant isn't anywhere close to destroying the entire Silver Sea.
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It could be argued
AncientKing95 said:
The Silver Sea is just a giant multiverse. And deeper layers don't see more shallow layers as small objects.
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It is, you can see that shallow world inhabitant as nothing if you are deeper world inhabitant

And the silver water shogi chapter already prove that
AncientKing95 said:
This is by far your most incorrect statement. In the first place, the deeper layers are the lower layers.
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The lower layers i mean is shallow layer
 
RamadhanDayYet said:
Destroying more than one World is not 2-B feats becuase you must destroy 1001 world to reach that

But you can make it as supporting feats

Also while fighting eques, milita create devil garden which is more durable than thousand and hundred world lol

And fighting deeper world could be argued as 2-B feats since each layer has it's own multiverse and deeper layer inhabitant could destroy it with their existence

Silver Walter shogi also show us that, the deeper world inhabitant power capable to affecting more than one universe
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The Devil's Garden was almost completely destroyed. It isn't more durable than thousands of worlds. It's just that it kept regenerating faster than it was being destroyed.

Deeper layer inhabitants can't destroy an entire layer with their own existence. What the **** are you on? Even the other Lions of Destruction who are considered very powerful among deep worlders were only said to have the power to destroy nations of a deep world. Just the average deep world inhabitant isn't super powerful.

As for Silver Water Shogi, what does that have to do with anything? Riana Puriana was using her own world's fire and dew.
 
AncientKing95 said:
Militia creating a universe isn't a 2B feats. Nothing in the Anos v Eques fight was 2B either. Venuzdonoa damaging a deeper inhabitant isn't anywhere close to destroying the entire Silver Sea. The Silver Sea is just a giant multiverse. And deeper layers don't see more shallow layers as small objects. This is by far your most incorrect statement. In the first place, the deeper layers are the lower layers.
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Bro, each layer has thousands/countless of universes. You know that right? And they have moved to the 21st layer. And each universe was accepted as a separate space-time continuum i.e. low 2C. You do know the diff. b/w layers, right? Read imZer0Null's blog on Maou Gokuin Cosmology.
 
AncientKing95 said:
The Devil's Garden was almost completely destroyed. It isn't more durable than thousands of worlds. It's just that it kept regenerating faster than it was being destroyed.
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While there's direct statement that show us , anos strongest flame magic capable to destroying thousand and hundred worlds ☠️


AncientKing95 said:
Deeper layer inhabitants can't destroy an entire layer with their own existence. What the **** are you on? Even the other Lions of Destruction who are considered very powerful among deep worlders were only said to have the power to destroy nations of a small world. Just the average deep world inhabitant isn't super powerful.
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You must read the Terminology then, you seems to misunderstanding how silver sea works


AncientKing95 said:
As for Silver Water Shogi, what does that have to do with anything? Riana Puriana was using her own world's fire and dew.
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There's statement that if you are deeper world inhabitant, placing world as a shogi piece is possible

Check that chapter and don't skip every important line
 
imZer0Null said:
1. Completely incorrect.
I'll give you a bad but simple analogy:
I have a bucket filled with water and my hand shakes uncontrollably. Once I pick the bucket up, the bucket will shake uncontrollably and spill some water, but it obviously won't immediately spill all the water out of the bucket. I can still move the bucket around to control where the water spills. If I wanted to, I could completely flip the bucket over, effectively throwing all the water out of the bucket.
The same goes for Anos' eye. He can't control his eye's power, thus there is always destruction flowing out of his eye, but simply opening his eye won't release all of it's destructive power. He can clearly control what his eye destroys, and that is evident in the feats themselves. If he wanted to, he could actually use the power of his eye, instead of just opening it and letting the overflowing destruction destroy what he wants destroyed.

You're also making a baseless assumption that Anos is using his eye's full power, when absolutely nothing indicates that it does, and the fact that he only opens his eye and doesn't directly use the destructive power contained within it also supports that he isn't using his full power.

Unless you provide proof that he was using his eye's full power, this specific argument is finished.

2 & 3. His Purple Destruction Eyes are specifically capable of only disrupting and destroying order. Venuzdonoa functions on the Destruction God's order, and if you disrupt or destroy that order it obviously won't be able to function as it normally does. Saying "But it's supposed to be able to do this and this" is completely incorrect. It can't do 'this and this' since it's only capable of doing 'this and this' while functioning normally, which it isn't.

You also provided the proof of this in your own argument. It functioned completely fine, except when it tried to affect Anos, since his eyes disrupted Venuzdonoa's order whenever it tried to affect him. You don't have to be stronger than something to disrupt how that something functions.

4. So you're saying that both what you said in this thread and what you said on discord is correct?
Then this thread can be closed.
You said that Venuzdonoa uses Anos' power from his source of perdition, so at the very least Anos must be on par with Venuzdonoa, and he's likely far superior to it.
Until you actually debunk Venuzdonoa being 2-B, Anos will also be 2-B as a result.
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1. You do know that literally all of Anos' Magic Eyes are active the moment he opens them right? Whenever Anos 'opens' his Magic Eyes of Destruction, they start emitting their anti-magic. Whenever Anos 'opens' his Magic Eyes of Purple Destruction, they immediately begin to suppress/interfere with the Order of the Gods. Why would the Magic Eyes of Chaotic Destruction be any different?

2 & 3. Venuzdonoa is supposedly capable of destroying anything regardless of what it is. That's what was claimed. Going, "But it's Order was disturbed" proves that it can't destroy whatever it want as was claimed, because it couldn't destroy the logic of it's Order being interfered with. If it's hax can't overcome certain limitations while the Magic Eyes of Destruction stick true to what was claimed about it, then it's clear which is better than the other.

Venuzdonoa has proven that it can't literally destroy anything in it's series, and it's hax couldn't overcome the hax of those Magic Eyes. Aka the hax of interfering with Order took priority over the hax of destroying all logic, reason and everything. Therefore, one's hax is better.

4. Nothing changed from what I said on Discord. Venuzdonoa itself is the power of the Destruction God. The power that allows for the Destruction God's Order to become Venuzdonoa is Anos'. What's the big deal?
 
Well I'll say it again.... Disagree...Anos tier should stay as it is since it doesn't need any change, this thread makes no sense.
 
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