Why is Zeno's Speed comparable to Goku's?

[DivineAura44]

It's stated he can see Hit and Goku fight.
1. He did see this but Hit and Dyspo's fight was too fast. Dyspo is slower than SSBKKX20 Goku so this is headcanon.
2. Bulma is able to react to Cabba and SSJ Vegeta fight so why is Bulma not quadrillions x the speed of light? because Reaction Speed is not equal to Speed.
It's also stated his blast destroyed the multiverse. This would make sense if it was a Ki blast, but I see no proof it was a Ki attack.

So like what's the actual reason?

 

[manu_zarri]

So like what's the actual reason?

there isn't

 

[DivineAura44]

there isn't

What does that statement imply?

 

[manu_zarri]

What does that statement imply?

we are scaling his speed to Ki blast, which is fine i guess? It's a Ki Blast because it looks like a Ki blast and because it taked sometime to errase, though, nothing remained after the destruction of it. Maybe Zeno is just so Strong that can EE with his own AP.

 

[DivineAura44]

1. That's subjective to say because it looks.
2. Nothing you said after proves anything.
3. And even if how does that make him Sextillions x the speed of light? I'm not following your logic.

 

[manu_zarri]

now that i think, should Zeno have Immeasurable speed? the Ki Blats was 2-C right? they destroyed all the past,present and future, so maybe it should scale to immeasurable?

 

[manu_zarri]

1. That's subjective to say because it looks.
2. Nothing you said after proves anything.
3. And even if how does that make him Sextillions x the speed of light? I'm not following your logic.

1. That's a Ki Blasts, just an assumption, you finded anything better?
2. ^
3. Ki Blast scales to speed

 

[DivineAura44]

3. Ki Blast scales to speed

And that's sextillions?

 

[manu_zarri]

And that's sextillions?

apparently

 

[DivineAura44]

now that i think, should Zeno have Immeasurable speed? the Ki Blats was 2-C right? they destroyed all the past,present and future, so maybe it should scale to immeasurable?

I've figured it out. Everyone has been making CRT's for DB Upgrades and they have resulted in downgrades. So now that I've make this with the intention of a downgrade, you see it as an upgrade.

 

[DivineAura44]

apparently

BS.

 

[DivineAura44]

I think his speed should just be unknown. Immeasurable would be my close second but Sextillions makes no sense imo.

 

[manu_zarri]

"BS."
Questions and Answers board

bruh

 

[DivineAura44]

Ok but can someone provide actual reasons for his speed?

 

[manu_zarri]

Ok but can someone provide actual reasons for his speed?

that's reason, you don't like it? make a CRT.

 

[Bernkastelll]

it shouldnt be immeasurable, thats just range

 

[manu_zarri]

it shouldnt be immeasurable, thats just range

Ki blasts here scales to speed.

 

[DivineAura44]

Speed basically becomes range when you reach 2-C.

 

[DivineAura44]

Ki blasts here scales to speed.

But if you want an actual answer there is this.

 

[manu_zarri]

Speed basically becomes range when you reach 2-C.

?
Their impact was still in past, present and future.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

It's stated he can see Hit and Goku fight.
1. He did see this but Hit and Dyspo's fight was too fast. Dyspo is slower than SSBKKX20 Goku so this is headcanon.
2. Bulma is able to react to Cabba and SSJ Vegeta fight so why is Bulma not quadrillions x the speed of light? because Reaction Speed is not equal to Speed.
It's also stated his blast destroyed the multiverse. This would make sense if it was a Ki blast, but I see no proof it was a Ki attack.

So like what's the actual reason?

1. He was still visibly able to keep up with many of the fighters fights who were comparable to and even faster than Dyspo during the Tournament of Power so that completely out weighs the Dyspo being to fast for him to see. So unless you're gonna argue Dyspo is much much faster than Goku, Vegeta, Toppo, Jiren, Gohan, Golden Freeza and Hit this argument doesn't work.

2. Please just stop. People like Bulma seeing characters of that level fight is an outlier unless you want to legitimately argue every is just human level in terms of combat speed?.

 

[Purgy]

1. He was still visibly able to keep up with many of the fighters fights who were comparable to and even faster than Dyspo during the Tournament of Power so that completely out weighs the Dyspo being to fast for him to see. So unless you're gonna argue Dyspo is much much faster than Goku, Vegeta, Toppo, Jiren, Gohan, Golden Freeza and Hit this argument doesn't work.

Wouldn't this just be perception speed though?

No reason for this to be combat speed.

 

[manu_zarri]

Wouldn't this just be perception speed though?

No reason for this to be combat speed.

pretty sure it's kind of reactions

 

[Purgy]

pretty sure it's kind of reactions

I don't think so, take Uryu as an example, is able to see and count the rotations of a chainsaw like blade, but it's only considered perception.

High Hypersonic (Dodged Cirucci's attacks and outmanoeuvred her, kept up with Szayelaporro) with Sub-Relativistic perception speed

Watching people fight doesn't seem much different to me.

 

[manu_zarri]

I don't think so, take Uryu as an example, is able to see and count the rotations of a chainsaw like blade, but it's only considered perception.

High Hypersonic (Dodged Cirucci's attacks and outmanoeuvred her, kept up with Szayelaporro) with Sub-Relativistic perception speed

Watching people fight doesn't seem much different to me.

then perception speed seems fine

 

[DivineAura44]

1. He was still visibly able to keep up with many of the fighters fights who were comparable to and even faster than Dyspo during the Tournament of Power so that completely out weighs the Dyspo being to fast for him to see. So unless you're gonna argue Dyspo is much much faster than Goku, Vegeta, Toppo, Jiren, Gohan, Golden Freeza and Hit this argument doesn't work.

2. Please just stop. People like Bulma seeing characters of that level fight is an outlier unless you want to legitimately argue every is just human level in terms of combat speed?.

1. No I'm not making that claim. The claim I'm making is that it's unreliable.

2. I have more examples to prove it's not an outlier.

 

[DivineAura44]

And even if as I said, that's reaction, not speed. All you prove is that he might have reaction speed that higher. Speed? Non-existent proof.

 

[manu_zarri]

Non-existent proof.

NEP Proof

no ok, someone should just make a CRT

 

[Teezar]

now that i think, should Zeno have Immeasurable speed? the Ki Blats was 2-C right? they destroyed all the past,present and future, so maybe it should scale to immeasurable?

I thought AKM sama debunked the feat of zeno erasing past,present and future? Cause it's stated they could still return to the point before zeno erased that timeline.

 

[DivineAura44]

NEP Proof

no ok, someone should just make a CRT

I'm scared

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Wouldn't this just be perception speed though?

No reason for this to be combat speed.

I never said it scale to combat speed. I'm just saying the logic that him not being able to see Dyspo shouldn't be used to say he can't see other's like Goku considering he has seen people comparable to Dyspo fight just fine.

1. No I'm not making that claim. The claim I'm making is that it's unreliable.

2. I have more examples to prove it's not an outlier.

It's not unreliable, it's just not valid for his overall speed rating. The Dyspo argument just shouldn't be used. I don't mind if his combat speed wouldn't scale, frankly I don't really care.

Then go ahead and make a thread about it. As of right now, it's an outlier.

 

[Teezar]

I think his speed should just be unknown. Immeasurable would be my close second but Sextillions makes no sense imo.

I agree go or just state it as some kind of feat that deals with,can perceive the battles but he can't move at such speed.

 

[DivineAura44]

I never said it scale to combat speed. I'm just saying the logic that him not being able to see Dyspo shouldn't be used to say he can't see other's like Goku considering he has seen people comparable to Dyspo fight just fine.

It's not unreliable, it's just not valid for his overall speed rating. The Dyspo argument just shouldn't be used. I don't mind if his combat speed wouldn't scale, frankly I don't really care.

Then go ahead and make a thread about it. As of right now, it's an outlier.

It'll just be pushed as PIS. But either way you slice it he's not Sextillions x SoL.

 

[DivineAura44]

NEP Proof

no ok, someone should just make a CRT

But fr I might do it soon.

 

[Worthless]

MFTL+ isn't good but Immeasurable is okay? it ain't immeasurable Just some sort limited space-time attack or not, could just be, by affecting his body in the present would also affect his past as it's whole is part of him. and Zamasu failed to fully fused with the past as zeno immediately erased him

 

[manu_zarri]

MFTL+ isn't good but Immeasurable is okay? it ain't immeasurable Just some sort limited space-time attack or not, could just be, by affecting his body in the present would also affect his past as it's whole is part of him. and Zamasu failed to fully fused with the past as zeno immediately erased him

Ki Blast destroyed Zamasu in his Low 2-C.

 

[DivineAura44]

MFTL+ isn't good but Immeasurable is okay? it ain't immeasurable Just some sort limited space-time attack or not, could just be, by affecting his body in the present would also affect his past as it's whole is part of him. and Zamasu failed to fully fused with the past as zeno immediately erased him

One is a random speed for no reason and the other is a speed which can potentially be proven. That's why one is ok and the other is bs.