If I didn't say scales to in the feat itself then it's pointless to say stuff like this since this is just the feat itself I linked and just wrote the reason why it scales under it. Even then you could still scales his reactions are like 1/10000th of his flight speed to at least have some idea of where he's going and be able to stop in time.
See above.
Keep this in mind, I’m not done with it yet.
Actually yeah I just noticed the jets of water coming from Aggregor. Funnily enough this doesn't matter since Aggregor when flying in space right after exiting the planet doesn't go any faster than in the water and Big Chill's just flying under water, if you were to argue that somehow massively slows him down while being under water then he should have gone intangible instead of turning into Ultimate Big Chill, which he didn't.
We don’t see him move faster because she’s still within the atmosphere and we don’t fully see him fly away. Also there are times where Ben just forgets to go intangible as Big Chill.
Either he has some stretched view of space or whatever in Hyperspace or he has the Omnitrix display the map of where he is relative to the universe, he'd still need to jump out of hyperspace in time. And even then he should have been going at his max MFTL+ speed when going back out since he had to speed up to enter it. If his reactions scale to hyperspace then his regular flight does as well to an extent, I doesn't make a ton of sense but hey it still happened.
So you’re just making assumptions? But anyway. Hyperspace is like a form of teleportation since Jetray literally has to open a portal through space to reach there
Guess Ben just chose the slightly faster alternative which would also allow him to not have to deal with objects being in his way.
This contradicts your premise. Why would someone with MFTL+ reactions have to worry about things getting in their way?
If we use 10 minutes or more for Vilgax' flight speed it would make sense (there was a scene-cut in the episode after all)
Why are you assuming 10 minutes? There were cut always for Jetray’s hyperspace too. I guess I should assume it took an hour am I right?
and prove that Ultimate Aggregor did that in 10 minutes, from what I remember they still needed to get out of Ledgerdomain and all whereas he teleported out. All I said is flew to another galaxy in a short timeframe, maybe it's an hour, 10 minutes, several hours? Also Aggregor specifically got the aliens that he did to be able to fly to another galaxy, who knows maybe AmpFibian is a hidden super fast flyer after all?
Did what in 10 minutes? Where are all these random numbers coming from? Aggregor literally flew from a random galaxy to outside the universe. So far to the point the universe looks like a mere star in the distance
Neither do the relativistic characters traverse the globe several times over when they fight. Also cinematic timing is a thing, characters who’s reactions keep up with their own flight speed look as if they move at human speed both to themselves and as a consequence the audience or else we wouldn’t be able to see anything of the fight.
Fair enough
Also you do know that Jetray being an MFTL+ flyer for scaling Vilgax is already accepted and applied on his page right?
Then that needs to be changed. Vilgax’s feat >> Jetray’s hyperspace feat. Why the hell would his regular flight and reaction speed be so much greater than his hyperspace feat?
It seems a double standard to me to have to prove characters are flying at max speed when you want to scale them to each other but this not applying to any other speed stat you're trying to scale between characters. (ex. if Rook's FTL then you don't need to prove he moves at max combat speed to scale Khyber to FTL) Also if the solution was just for one of the 2 characters to move faster to tag or outpace the other one then they would have done so and clearly neither of them could. Also Tetrax and Gwen react to them flying so that's a bonus.
They’re flying in an atmosphere. Keep this in mind, I’m not done with it yet.
I assume you don't have a problem with all the other FTL and MFTL feats that debunk your point them since you didn't address them?
I already went over my problems with the Waybig feat. It’s literally why I want to downgrade him to Relativistic. Also if the tachyon stuff is legit, then that’s just another anti feat. What makes a tachyon massively FTL+?
Imagine using a quote from Kevin to say his ship can only move at supersonic speeds in atmosphere when 1) logically the atmosphere doesn't change anything when it comes to speed, 2) Tetrax was able to warp to hyperspace within the atmosphere, 3) by scaling alone according to your interpretation his show would be relativistic instead of supersonic and 4) I still think he was referencing a hyperdrive that gives access to hyperspace at that moment so it's pretty irrelevant to it's max regular speed. Also some of your points I already debunked before so you're doing the same thing.
Why the heck would the atmosphere slow him down?
It’s almost as if the RB3 needs to leave the atmosphere to achieve FTL speeds. 
Here's the fun thing though, you admit the time cycles blitz the time beast and that the time beast is FTL, so logically they'd have no problem outpacing a black hole regardless.
When did I say that? The hell?
So either 1) That black hole is faster than light,
Yes that’s the point. They had a head start and they still almost got caught. A black hole > time cycles.
No it’s not. The time cycles don’t have any greater feats than that
3) they weren't using the full speed of the time cycles.
That’s some extraordinary headcanon. Why would they not be going at full speed then they’re being chased by a literal black hole? That’s the most boneheaded argument you’ve made.
In each case no contradiction, just Ben 10 being weird. In fact I'd say that the episode itself is being inconsistent in speed, perhaps we should discard it altogether?
It’s not “being weird,” you’re being dismissive and ignoring logic.
First off we agreed that XLR8 would still be FTL even if your revision went through since he blitzes Rook (via scaling to other Kinecelerans)
I never agreed to it. I said I would have no problem with it personally. Even then you can still be baseline FTL and get tagged by light. It’s an anti-feat for massively FTL+ not FTL.
to a similar degree as the time beast does, second off that's Hex's magical attack, so unless you wanna argue Vilgax is subsonic for not dodging Echo Echo's sound waves or that Ultimate Kevin is lower than MHS+ for not doding Gwen's lightning (albeit he did absorb it), I'd suggest not using other people's attacks that can easily upscale, especially if they're not even stated or proven to move at the speed of light.
The difference between Echo Echo and co. is that they have feats. All Hex did was flash light at XLR8 and that’s it. It has no other feats, showings or anti feats. It’s just a flash of light and XLR8 got tagged by it.
Your second link doesn't work,
Here:
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/b..._Patrol.png/revision/latest?cb=20190502123748
in each this actually helps my case because 1) Ben not having the time to chill out is his own fault since he refuses help from anyone else so he’s really suffering from himself checking on every corner of the planet to keep it safe every few seconds/minutes (when he’s not fighting someone with comparable speed to himself that is) and 2) Patrolling all over the planet in a short timeframe would actually be an MFTL+ feat since there’s a lot of area to cover.
It says he patrols the whole planet 24/7 not some arbitrary time frame. And the statement in context, he literally says that he has no time because he’s patrolling the planet.
Unrelated Marvel quote instead of actually proving it?
Greenshitfter. All I’m doing is giving an example of writers separating the speeds. I’m not saying “MoA said this is true.” What I’m saying it’s possible that’s what they think due to the circumstances.
I'll have to come back on this lol. You see when Max says that Malware doesn't have FTL capability, he also says he couldn't have left the Galvan system
YET. Which means they only have a short timeframe to catch him before he leaves the Galvan system. Yet the size of the solar system is
either several light hours/days or more than 1 lightyear and the Galvan system should be comparable in size. Thus either Max's statement is inconsistent with itself or I'm even starting to think that the speed of light in Ben 10 might simply be faster than our speed of light, that'd explain a few things.
Then why didn’t he leave the system? Also Max said Malware isn’t capable of moving at FTL speeds. All it does is support my argument dude.
I think I made my point clear as well, Ben 10 is inconsistent but both relativistic and MFTL+ have about equal backing to them so the only way to actually solve this stalemate is a possibly rating.
So you’re admitting it’s inconsistent but you chose the route that inflates statistics and makes the inconsistencies worse.
All of the massively FTL+ feats you presented aren’t even consistent with themselves because some massively FTL+ feats contradict others. Aggregor, Vilgax, and Jetray’s feats aren’t compatible because you’re scaling their normal movement above Jetray’s hyperspace.
Vilgax himself crashes whenever he’s landing, showing he can’t react at MFTL+ speeds to land properly.
Aggregor’s feats are far greater than anything else, making it the textbook definition of an outlier.
Jetray having the hyperspace ability at all.
Characters being tagged by light multiple times.
Characters being blitzed by FTL monsters.
Characters being unable to move FTL.
Characters being outpaced by a black hole.
Radiation and tachyons not being blitzed to a standstill.
Stinkfly not circling the earth multiple times in an instant when delivering presents.
Feedback having no further context for his flights.
ETC! I’m sorry Green, we usually assume a character’s reactions equate to their flight speed if there are no contradiction. But Ben 10 has too many.
. Don’t you see that Humungousaur has life hacks? Anyways no you can’t move your center of gravity while in mid-air without outside forces either Malware has shit aim or Humungousaur gets double jump on his page. Also as for S.A.M. being able to tag XLR8 in the sky, well 
