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They should just be given resistances or immunities of the duality they aren't bound by instead of having transduality, right that is?
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For those people are unbounded by Duality...
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If its just stated to be unbound by duality then they would be transdual. If they specifically mention a duality like life and death then yes
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Transduality=transcending duality
Transduality=/=unbounded by Duality
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My point is that beings that are unbounded by duality shouldn't be considered as transdual but more or less resistant to that particular duality.
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What? That's ridiculous.Being unbound by duality is by definition Transduality. I have no clue where you get simple resistance from that. There's no difference between that and "Transcending Duality" when determining whether it's transduality or not.
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I've begun to grow weary whether or not must you transcend (being superior to) duality to have transduality rather than be unbounded by Duality to get transduality. I mean really...look at the definition in the 4 types, all of them involve superiority over Duality.
Type 1 (Specific Transduality): Being qualitatively beyond and superior to the nature of one or several specific dual systems.
Type 2 (False General Transduality): Being qualitatively beyond and superior to the nature of all dual systems and concepts within the scope of an entire level of reality. Any non 1-A (Outerverse level) characters who transcend duality at a basic level would also qualify for this level, as space and time can be thought of as dual concepts, as well as existing within/outside spatio-temporal dimensionality.
Type 3 (True General Transduality): A state of being which is qualitatively beyond and superior to the nature of binary logic or duality at any level, including the conceptual, standing beyond the scope of all dual systems and concepts regardless of how complex they are. Such characters typically exist as contradictions within the context of their setting, and abide to dialetheic systems of logic, or are portrayed as existing within a state of single, indivisible wholeness bereft of any separation. As space and time themselves can be considered a duality, as well as the distinction between being within/outside spatio-temporal dimensionality’s limitations, this type is reserved for 1-A characters and up.
Type 4 (Plurality): A state of being which is qualitatively beyond and superior to the nature of even the distinction between duality and transduality. Such characters will usually not obey the laws of normal logic at any level, and will obey completely different systems of logic altogether, up to and including those states which are beyond human comprehension. A basic example of Plurality is characters whose fundamental nature operates under many-valued or certain kinds of non-classical logic, where many different values can exist that are not true or false, 0/1/2, or any dichotomies in between. However, simply being able to use many-valued logic in a feat context does not qualify a character for this type, such characters must demonstrate true qualitative superiority to all types of dual distinctions. Naturally, only 1-A characters and up can have this type, as it exists outside all possible dual distinctions.
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Basically in layman's terms...i do believe that those unbounded by Duality aren't considered transdual.
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1. You could've just linked the page. Or just told me to check.
2. Words like "transcend" or "unbound" have no meaning on their own. Transduality just means, well, being transdual. If life and death are 2-A, you can be Transdual over them and still be 2-A or even far less.
3. That page is still due revisions so I wouldn't put too much stock on it.
TL;DR it's case by case. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding the way they're treated but being unbound by duality is no less a way to get transduality than "transcending it", on that I'm sure.
2. Words like "transcend" or "unbound" have no meaning on their own. Transduality just means, well, being transdual. If life and death are 2-A, you can be Transdual over them and still be 2-A or even far less.
3. That page is still due revisions so I wouldn't put too much stock on it.
TL;DR it's case by case. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding the way they're treated but being unbound by duality is no less a way to get transduality than "transcending it", on that I'm sure.
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1.yeah i keep forgetting about that....my bad
2.hmmm...true true.
3.wait it's still on revision?
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Yeah but I heard from that the 2nd type is a direct way to get 1A I heard unless I'm absolutely wrong about it.
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Not even remotely. This "X power is 1-A" stuff is getting removed.
Types 1 and 2 Conceptual Manipulation are getting merged and removing the 1-A requirement. Type 3 becomes Type 2 and Type 4 becomes Type 3.
Types 2 and 3 Transduality are merging and also removing the 1-A requirement. Type 3 is the new 2 and 4 the new 3, same as above.
Irrelevant LS and speed are likely leaving etc.
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The type 1 will disappear too since he have technically nothing to do here
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Uhhhhh.......come again?
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Hmmm? Do you mean Type 1 Transduality?
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Yes
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Type 2 Concept Manipulation is becoming the new Type 1. There will no longer be "1-A cuz Plato" stuff.
Type 3 Transduality is disappearing. Ever since the Tiering System revision, being transdual to the concept of space-time is no longer 1-A.
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Don't we have some characters there? I could've sworn that we did.
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So what will happen to type 2 and what is the new type 3 for transduality.
Also which thread is this taking place at? I can't find the thread where the revisions are going on.
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Assuming Type 1 stays, Type 2 Transduality remains the same and Type 4 becomes Type 3.
It's a Staff Discussion thread on finishing off the Tiering System revisions.
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Doesn't type 2 become type 3 as they are both the same just that it depends on the level of transcendence a over Duality.
Oh okay.
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No? Type 3 is literally just Type 2 but 1-A. That's getting deleted.
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They said type 3 and 2 will beerged and type 4 would become type 3. Also with the 1A requirement getting removed. It means that anyone that has transduality type 4 below tier 1 would inevitably stomp most of the non-smurfs including those with NEP type 2.
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They'd incon not stomp. I feel like a lot of people overhype NEP Type 2 and Transduality while forgetting that it only makes you unkillable on its own.
And lol at anyone below 1-A having Type 4. There may not be a Tier requirement but good luck finding a Tier 2 with Type 4.
And lol at anyone below 1-A having Type 4. There may not be a Tier requirement but good luck finding a Tier 2 with Type 4.
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Stares at the entirety of the chinese mythology
Yeah....however they are mythological profiles....which wouldn't be able to be added in as profiles in this wiki.
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Also it's incon for those with transduality type 4 but stomp for those who have that ability to manipulate it.
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Tf? You dont manipulate Transduality. Unless you refer to logic manipulation, which is still bound by feats. Nevermind how it can be done with law-hax. Manipulating dualities is likely just Conceptual Manipulation and still needs feats for what it can do.
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Wuji and Taiji is a very complex level of type 4 (type 3). The problem is that we can't add mythological profiles anymore.
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JTTW gods have done so before by manipulating the Yin and Yang. Manipulating the Wuji and Taiji is a very different thing as it is described in a very "peculiar" way.
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I mean taiji is on the bloody transduality page as an example to begin with.
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Man miss those days where mythology profiles were all over the wiki.
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I don't. Most of them were wanked AF.
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Were the greeks, japanese, egyptians and chinese mythology profiles wanked that much?
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Oh yeah....there wasn't any main canon....and it was done through merging every storyline to make a composite profile....
