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Profile Deletion Requests Thread (New forum)

And I would agree with that, if we clearly didn't already not enforce that rule. And the thing is, you don't have battleboarders just writing 1-A and above verses to flood the site. And if that was a problem, then I would be perfectly fine with it being enforced right now. But it isn't and it hasn't ever been one. This right now is only a problem because Deluge of the Abyss is so high-tiered. If it wasn't we wouldn't even be having this discussion because when it's not, no one really cares how popular a verse is as long as the pages don't junk up the site.

The statistics are backed up, the powers explained in detail, and contrary to what was said above the verse itself isn't clearly oriented around Battle Boarding. The writer themselves makes a number of comic book references throughout the story, with even one of the main characters being noted to be a comic book nerd. Those are just references.

So unless we're going to hardline enforce this rule on all verses, and start purging the site of as many as we can, Deluge of the Abyss should be fine to stay.
 
We have enforced that rule before. Widely-accepted rules don't get dismissed just because people break them without anyone noticing. We do have battleboarders writing those verses. Deluge of the Abyss, Suggsverse, and there's a bunch of verses on FC/OC wiki with 1-A and above characters written by our members. I mean, really, I think it's a problem for battleboarders to be writing any verses on this site. We don't allow Potents by @The_real_cal_howard despite it being low-tiered.

If you seriously want to ditch that rule we'll be shipping over half the verses on FC/OC wiki and adding Suggsverse. I'll make profiles for some short stories I wrote during high school.

We have these rules for good reasons, you cannot unilaterally decide to ditch them just because you broke them.
 
What proof do you have that Deluge of the Abyss is made by a battleboarder?

What more is that those verses, last I checked, are primarily placed upon FC/OC wiki. They're not posted anywhere else or disconnected from this wiki and battleboard sites like Deluge is.

And what more we already have two people above pretty much stating that popularity matters little.
 
Its lack of notoriety outside of vs debating circles is all that matters for that rule.

The only results of it when searching are your profiles on this wiki, your profiles on omniversal battlefield (EDIT: The profiles made by someone else on anime characters fight), and one person asking about it on comicvine, another battleboard. No-one's talked about it on twitter.

There's no indications of fandom/community outside of those spaces.

Its average viewership of 757 readers per chapter would pretty much fit in with only being known by battleboarders. The reader numbers aren't so astronomically high that I'd doubt that explanation.

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What more is that those verses, last I checked, are primarily placed upon FC/OC wiki. They're not posted anywhere else or disconnected from this wiki and battleboard sites like Deluge is.

They easily can be. It doesn't take much effort to copy/paste things onto a new site if it means it gets put on vsbw instead.

And what more we already have two people above pretty much stating that popularity matters little.

Cool, but those rules for what profiles are allowed have been brought up repeatedly for years, been the subject of multiple threads, and have stayed as they are after staff consensus. Two people saying they don't like it does not override that.
 
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Agnaa said:
Its lack of notoriety outside of vs debating circles is all that matters for that rule.

The only results of it when searching are your profiles on this wiki, your profiles on omniversal battlefield, and one person asking about it on comicvine, another battleboard. No-one's talked about it on twitter.

There's no indications of fandom/community outside of those spaces.

Its average viewership of 757 readers per chapter would pretty much fit in with only being known by battleboarders. The reader numbers aren't so astronomically high that I'd doubt that explanation.
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None of that says it was made by a Battle Boarder. All that says is that some people saw it on this site and then mentioned it.

And the literal second result when googling Deluge of the Abyss is the site itself, while you'll only find other mentions of Deluge of the Abyss three times more on other sites

And in fact, if you Battle is an Art (the name of the story of which these characters come from) you'll find a direct link to multiple sites of which the story is published and even a TV tropes page for it.

What more is that as pointed out above, lack of popularity is rarely the true reason any verse gets deleted and I feel that alone in this case is being used as just justification to get rid of verse that is considerd too powerful without being popular.
 
Again, it's specifically notoriety outside of vs debating circles that matters. Not "was it made by a battleboarder". I don't need to prove something that's irrelevant.

And that TV Tropes page was literally made by you dude. You're the only one whose edited it. That is not evidence of notoriety.

Lack of popularity is rarely the reason a verse gets deleted because it can be difficult to notice that a verse isn't notable outside of vs debating circles, and the people who post those verses would rarely suggest them for deletion.

We are not dismissing a rule just because it's hard to enforce.
 
Duedate8898 said:
What proof do you have that Deluge of the Abyss is made by a battleboarder?
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I am known by many names. God. Yahweh. Monitor-Over-All. Presence-Above-Others. All-Mighty. Maker. Bois D’allumage by your people. But the name I gave myself, my personal favorite, is what you shall call me. Call me Norwe, and who am I? The creator of your universe, that's who.
 
And I know I made the page but wasn't my point with that, my point was that there is more places for it to be found than through Vs Battle sites. And you yourself were just earlier saying it was made by one, so why bring it up if you're not trying to use that as support for it being deleted?

And I'm saying the rule itself is one that seems at most meaningless and readily ignored by both staff and users with it never being a problem. The profiles have been on this site for two years now and not once was Deluge of the Abyss ever questioned for its lack of popularity. Even with only me and one other supporter. Hell, you even contacted me as a part of the Audit group (whose supposed to watch out for things like that) and it wasn't a problem then either. And this rule was around back then.
ShivaShakti said:
I am known by many names. God. Yahweh. Monitor-Over-All. Presence-Above-Others. All-Mighty. Maker. Bois D’allumage by your people. But the name I gave myself, my personal favorite, is what you shall call me. Call me Norwe, and who am I? The creator of your universe, that's who.
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Why not check out the story, or one of my previous post where I mention that right there could easily just be a reference.
 
And I know I made the page but wasn't my point with that, my point was that there is more places for it to be found than through Vs Battle sites

A battleboarder making a tvtropes page does not establish notoriety outside of battleboarding circles. So it does not justify it staying.

And you yourself were just earlier saying it was made by one, so why bring it up if you're not trying to use that as support for it being deleted?

I was explaining the purpose of the rule, not the criteria of it.

And I'm saying the rule itself is one that seems at most meaningless and readily ignored by both staff and users with it never being a problem.

This part of our discussion is just going in circles now man.

I explained the reason for the rule. I explained why it doesn't often get enforced. I explained why a complete lack of the rule is a problem. And you're just saying "well I disagree".

Hell, you even contacted me as a part of the Audit group (whose supposed to watch out for things like that) and it wasn't a problem then either. And this rule was around back then.

Audit group wasn't supposed to watch out for popularity, they were watching out for profile quality.
 
Well I believe I've said my piece on this, I will add one more thing:
The audit group was not just made to check quality for profile pages, but also check for if they were a fit for site standards. Just going back to check the thread itself has a list of criteria profiles must reach in order to stay. None of which had to do with popularity.
 
Out of nowhere power creeps with no real reason for happening, the mere freaking mention of an AU on a profile, the chances of the creator of the verse being a vs battles debater being high(not saying its you deudate), I'm not saying anything about Suggsverse because I wasn't around for Suggsverse whatever that is.
 
DaReaperMan said:
I'm not saying anything about Suggsverse because I wasn't around for Suggsverse whatever that is.
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It's the one sin the lord can't forgive. Basically, its a verse made by a battle board user, and is filled with incomprehensible words. Shit like above omnipotence, being above fiction and non-fiction, etc etc...

Anyways, I'm neutral on the deletion of Deluge of the abyss, considering how if you search the name, the literal first 2 results are battle board sites.
 
There isn't even power creep like that, its a feat from the current god tier with only one other being directly scaling to him and what he did, with most of the story after this actually taking place within the more Tier 8-6 range. Most other characters don't scale at all to this, and AU falls under the odd vowel naming scheme present within the verse cosmology. It even has an entirely different meaning, that being time cube.
 
Duedate8898 said:
Well I believe I've said my piece on this, I will add one more thing:
The audit group was not just made to check quality for profile pages, but also check for if they were a fit for site standards. Just going back to check the thread itself has a list of criteria profiles must reach in order to stay. None of which had to do with popularity.
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I was one of the people who helped birth the idea of the audit group in the first place.

It was trying to make sure that profiles were reliable, as there were worries that many profiles weren't. This involved tier 1 verses needing cosmology explanations, statistics and abilities needing substantiation, having pages, having evidence that can be read by English speakers, and having decent grammar was chucked in too.

This is not every single requirement for a page on the site, and it was not meant to be. It was meant to resolve an issue of reliability. It was not meant to resolve issues of profiles violating site rules in other ways.

It wasn't meant to resolve redundant categories, wasn't meant to make sure that verses were actual stories, that verses weren't fanfiction, that verses weren't original characters, that verses weren't of advertisement characters, memes, YouTube personalities, reality television characters, talk shows, music videos, stage personas, corporate mascots, composites, religious deities, invalid crossovers. It wasn't meant to look for plagiarism.

You cannot use a rule not being included on the audit group's list of criteria as evidence that the rule doesn't exist.
 
The last 5 posts do not belong here.

DaReaper, you don't need to make memey comments that contribute nothing.

Bernkastell and Zencha, you don't need to tell people that you haven't chosen a side yet. That wastes posts and adds nothing.

Regidan and Zencha, this is not the thread to talk about how long some series is. Take it to a message wall.
 
Agnaa is right, I will be deleting those posts shortly.

Edit: Actually I'm sure they're allowed to state their views on it, so I'll just be deleting the ones about Chapter length and the one before that.
 
Antvasima said:
I strongly agree with Agnaa. We should definitely delete the verse, and cannot make an exception for our rules just because a staff member likes it. It would set a terrible precedent that would cause us lots of problems later on. My apologies Duedate.
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I personally believe the precedent is already set and that it hasn't caused problems yet but if it's decided then that's whatever.
 
Okay. Thank you for being reasonable.

Would some other staff member be willing to delete the pages, or should I do so myself?
 
Antvasima said:
I cannot make sense of the statistics for this verse:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Sousei_no_Onmyouji

They have generally been incoherent and Nelliels and other editors who handle it do not seem to know what they are doing and randomly change the statistics in contradictory manners.

I think that it may be best for the reliability of the wiki if we delete it.
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Anyway, I would appreciate help from experienced members with evaluating this.
 
I don't know about the verse much and its statistics, and I'm also sure I don't qualify to be an "experienced member", but from an editing standpoint, I have stumbled upon several editing mistakes in those profiles. I think that whoever's doing the most edits in the verse's profiles should learn more about the Standard Format and Common Editing Mistakes page, or maybe tell them to be more careful when editing, especially when it comes to statistics and keys.
 
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Yeah, I've warned Nelliels too regarding the bad formatting, statistics, and the rest. I even told him how to improve and linked pages that may/will help with the problem but seems nothing changed even after a long enough period of time.
 
I skimmed through all those profiles and I don't really see anything too bad as long as the calculations are legit and/or scans are specific. Keys and stats appear formatted fine for the most part. Are we really proposing an entire verse deletion? If there's anything wrong with it, it should be via Content Revision and its own thread rather than here IMO. Then again, I don't know anything about the series, but still.
 
This entire verse.

Every stat [excluding the powers of one character in the verse] of every character's profile isn't justified. The AP, Speed, and everything else doesn't even have any scans. I recommend contacting the supporters of the verse and asking them if they can atleast add scans to everything written on the profiles as it turns out two staff members are supporters of it.
 
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