Whis 2-C?

[Valiant_Abyss]

Why are Whis and the other angels likely 2-C? The reasoning listed on Whis' profile says:

(Should be more powerful than Beerus and Champa combined. Casually one-shot Beerus, who is comparable to Champa and can purge two universes if he and his brother fight each other)

Champa and Beerus are marked as Low 2-C for this exact statement, so it sounds like Whis' justification for 2-C is based on a multiplier, which I thought wasn't allowed for jumping from Low 2-C to 2-C?

I am by no means an expert on this verse, but to have this question answered by someone who does know more than me would be nice.

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

Following.

 

[Deonment]

Its because the two of them clashing would of made a 2-C feat, so angels being above the two of them combined would be 2-C

 

[Arcker123]

Champa and Beerus are marked as Low 2-C for this exact statement, so it sounds like Whis' justification for 2-C is based on a multiplier, which I thought wasn't allowed for jumping from Low 2-C to 2-C?

Beerus and champa combined are baseline 2-C, they dont scale fully so they are "half 2-C" being above the both of them makes whis baseline 2-C.

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

This still sounds like a multiplier.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Beerus and Champa scale to half a 2-C feat which means two Beeruses can become 2-C. AKA, anyone twice as strong as Beerus will be 2-C.

 

[Arcker123]

i think this puts it better

Baseline 2-C = 2 beerus < Whis

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

i think this puts it better

Baseline 2-C = 2 beerus < Whis

That is literally still a multiplier.

 

[Arcker123]

No its not, A hypothetical 2 beerus would be equal to 2-C who is weaker than whis.

 

[Deonment]

2 beerus=2-C feat, whis>2 beerus so by proxy whis>2-C baseline

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Saying "2 beerus" is a multiplier in it of itself.

 

[Arcker123]

I think there was a thread to upgrade beerus to 2-C because we should not be dividing 2-C.

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

well clearly that was rejected.

 

[Roun12]

Multipliers aren't allowed because we can't quantify the difference between Low 2-C and 2-C, but in this case it is directly stated that Beerus + Champa = 2-C. We are directly given a measuring stick for where 2-C begins in Dragon Ball and it is at twice the power of Beerus so multipliers are allowed here.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

2-C doesn't come from a multiplier, it comes from a feat that's 2-C outright. And it comes from a feat from two characters' whose combine might is still inferior to that of an Angel. So if anything, they're still being scaled to what's an outright 2-C feat. But here's where the confusion lies; 2-C isn't the tier coming from a multiplier, it is Low 2-C that comes from a divider, which is the opposite of a multiplier.

This is how physics work when it comes to combined clashes; if a combined clash is 100 megatons; the two clashes that caused it are well above 50 megatons individually, but still less than 100 megatons. But if someone was superior to that combined clash, said character would still be legit over 100 megatons. Where as the opposite in which a clash between 2 50 megatons characters would logically be less than 100 megatons though still above 50 megatons. Though on this wiki, we accept lowballed calculations as valid feats while we do not accept highballed calculations, which is why using dividers is considered okay practices if the logic makes it a reasonable lowball. But there aren't any multipliers here, so the feat is fine.

 

[Arcker123]

^This right here is the best explanation, it is outright a 2-C feat, its just that whis fully scales to it and beerus does not.

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

2-C doesn't come from a multiplier, it comes from a feat that's 2-C outright. And it comes from a feat from two characters' whose combine might is still inferior to that of an Angel. So if anything, they're still being scaled to what's an outright 2-C feat. But here's where the confusion lies; 2-C isn't the tier coming from a multiplier, it is Low 2-C that comes from a divider, which is the opposite of a multiplier.

This is how physics work when it comes to combined clashes; if a combined clash is 100 megatons; the two clashes that caused it are well above 50 megatons individually, but still less than 100 megatons. But if someone was superior to that combined clash, said character would still be legit over 100 megatons. Where as the opposite in which a clash between 2 50 megatons characters would logically be less than 100 megatons though still above 50 megatons. Though on this wiki, we accept lowballed calculations as valid feats while we do not accept highballed calculations, which is why using dividers is considered okay practices if the logic makes it a reasonable lowball. But there aren't any multipliers here, so the feat is fine.

This is a much better explanation. Thank you.

 

[sanicspood]

we having problems with 2-C whis now? whats next uni+ zeno?

 

[Arcker123]

we having problems with 2-C whis now? whats next uni+ zeno?

Don’t be like that, this was a simple misunderstanding that got resolved.

 

[sanicspood]

ik lol i was kidding