Molecule man isnt boundless?

[Quarterkun]

Molecule man is under the outerversal/Tier 1-A category but in his profile, it says one of the reasons hes that high is because he "transcends" the eighth multiverse/Eternity whos listed as 1-A

And the description for Tier 0/Boundless is that a character has to transcend a 1-A character just like how a high character (high multiversal, high complex multiversal) transcends a tier below character (multiversal, complex multiversa)

So why isnt Molecule man Tier 0?

 

[PsychoWarper]

You have to transcend an, iirc, infinite hierarchy of High 1-As to hit tier 0 or something similar, transcending a 1-A (Especially one that isnt 1-A+) wont even get you to H1A without other things involved, it will just put of one degree higher than what ever that 1-A was, so if you transcended a Baseline 1-A then you are simply one step above Baseline 1-A.

 

[Quarterkun]

Well if thats the case, i think the term for boundless should go into more detail cause it verbatim only says people who are tier 0 transcend a 1-A. It didnt even mention baseline 1-A or anything like that

 

[PsychoWarper]

"0 | Boundless: Characters who demonstrate an equivalence to, or can create/destroy/affect, transcendental abstract levels of existence which conceptually stand superior to even High 1-A levels. Being “omnipotent” or any similar reasoning is not nearly enough to reach this tier; characters at this level must transcend High 1-A characters as High 1-A characters would transcend 1-A ones. This tier has no true endpoint, and can be extended unto any higher level, spiraling infinitely upwards."

Well it mentions H1A and such.

 

[Quarterkun]

Okay. Well since i have your attention, i have a question. Does being beyond the concept of dimensions make you boundless or outerversal? Cause one friend i have thinks it makes you boundless and i just wanna make sure hes not making a fool of himself lol

 

[elhermanopadre]

"0 | Boundless: Characters who demonstrate an equivalence to, or can create/destroy/affect, transcendental abstract levels of existence which conceptually stand superior to even High 1-A levels. Being “omnipotent” or any similar reasoning is not nearly enough to reach this tier; characters at this level must transcend High 1-A characters as High 1-A characters would transcend 1-A ones. This tier has no true endpoint, and can be extended unto any higher level, spiraling infinitely upwards."

Well it mentions H1A and such.

If you transcend infinite outerversal/1-A constructs can that grand higher-1-A or boundless+ ?

 

[Ican'tthinkof1goodname]

Who is Molecule Man again?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

There's no such thing as Boundless+. Boundless doesn't have any end to it. Even if you're somehow infinitelt above baseline boundless, you're still just boundless.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Okay. Well since i have your attention, i have a question. Does being beyond the concept of dimensions make you boundless or outerversal? Cause one friend i have thinks it makes you boundless and i just wanna make sure hes not making a fool of himself lol

Depends on context. If those dimensions in the verse are infinitely superior to each other, then yes, that makes you outerversal. Not boundless though.

If you transcend infinite outerversal/1-A constructs can that grand higher-1-A or boundless+ ?

Probably either H1A or 1-A+. Definitely not Boundless though. Also, Boundless+ isn't a thing.

 

[Zencha9]

If you transcend infinite outerversal/1-A constructs can that grand higher-1-A or boundless+ ?

probably outerversal+

 

[Rikimarox2]

Who is Molecule Man again?

Molecule Man

 

[elhermanopadre]

There's no such thing as Boundless+. Boundless doesn't have any end to it. Even if you're somehow infinitelt above baseline boundless, you're still just boundless.

It's a terminology to describe how far you are in the boundless tier.

 

[Zencha9]

It's a terminology to describe how far you are in the boundless tier.

you can't reach any higher in the boundless tier

 

[Rikimarox2]

There isn't such thing in the tiering system. Whether you are baseline Tier 0 or infinitely above tier 0, you'll still only be boundless, not boundless+

 

[elhermanopadre]

probably outerversal+

In the tiering there is no mention of outerversal+ just high outerversal.

 

[elhermanopadre]

you can't reach any higher in the boundless tier

There is no limit to boundless, boundless+ is just to say you are above that baseline requirement, it's not relevant anyways.

 

[Rikimarox2]

In the tiering there is no mention of outerversal+ just high outerversal.

"Characters who stand an infinite number of steps above "Baseline" Outerversal realms and structures are to have a + modifier in their Attack Potency section (Outerverse level+)"

 

[elhermanopadre]

"Characters who stand an infinite number of steps above "Baseline" Outerversal realms and structures are to have a + modifier in their Attack Potency section (Outerverse level+)"

I see .

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

you can't reach any higher in the boundless tier

Yeah, that's kind of the point of boundless

 

[Zencha9]

pretty much

 

[Quarterkun]

There's no such thing as Boundless+. Boundless doesn't have any end to it. Even if you're somehow infinitelt above baseline boundless, you're still just boundless.

Was that for me cause i never mentioned boundless+

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

It wasn't

 

[Quarterkun]

There isn't such thing in the tiering system. Whether you are baseline Tier 0 or infinitely above tier 0, you'll still only be boundless, not boundless+

If your above the concept of dimensions, does that make you outerversal? Im askimh for a friend.

 

[Quarterkun]

It wasn't

Okay.

 

[Rikimarox2]

If your above the concept of dimensions, does that make you outerversal? Im askimh for a friend.

Depends on context. If you are only above the concept of dimensions with no context whatsoever, then no, you aren't outerversal.

 

[PsychoWarper]

If you transcend infinite outerversal/1-A constructs can that grand higher-1-A or boundless+ ?

That is baseline High 1-A.

Infinite Outerversal is 1-A+.

 

[elhermanopadre]

If your above the concept of dimensions, does that make you outerversal? Im askimh for a friend.

Yes indeed, that is the baseline requirement for outerversal (outer-dimensional).

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

You need more context for it, otherwise it's meaningless. It's one of the reasons characters like demonbane got downgraded

 

[elhermanopadre]

You need more context for it, otherwise it's meaningless. It's one of the reasons characters like demonbane got downgraded

You don't ,it's straight forward.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Yes, you do. Simply saying they are transcendental over dimensions means shit without any more context. We don't know if those dimensions are infinitely superior to each other.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

It ain't, that's not how it works anymore. If that's the case, Demonbane would still be 1-A via a quote of him being beyond dimensions.

 

[elhermanopadre]

Yes, you do. Simply saying they are transcendental over dimensions means shit without any more context. We don't know if those dimensions are infinitely superior to each other.

No once more (maybe if infinite dimensions are implyed maybe I see that ), this argument is irrelevant.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

No once more , this argument is irrelevant.

The dimensions must atend some requirements first for that kind of statement to work

Read here: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Higher-Dimensional_Existence

Take note that, while higher-dimensional objects can indeed be mathematically modelled and defined as uncountably infinitely larger than lower-dimensional correspondents, such abstract implications are not necessarily universal and applicable under any framework, and given the vast range of interpretations regarding higher-dimensional beings present throughout fiction, we have choosen to default to a more physics-based framework instead, and thus, being higher-dimensional does not necessarily skyrocket a character to a higher tier.

However, higher-dimensional characters can indeed be ranked at higher tiers if:

A) They are provably infinite on all axes, or can safely assumed to be so.

B) Are defined as always being infinitely larger or superior to lower-dimensional beings by the fictional work which they are from

C) They correspond to large extra dimensional spaces, such as those defined in brane cosmologies and the like.

 

[Rikimarox2]

You are right, debating with you is pointless.

 

[elhermanopadre]

You are right, debating with you is pointless.

I would say the reverse , it's better if you stay on your side.

 

[Antvasima]

There doesn't seem to be any valid point to this thread, so I will close it.