FMA 7-C revision.

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

Yep. You read the title the right way. On this site, Ed's been jumping back and forth from 7-C to High 8-C (which is currently where he is at).
Now, 7-C FMA mid tiers are far more consistent than it seems, there are more than enough feats. Let's go. And sorry for using Russian scans in some feat, Russian scans are much easier to find and link.
1. First is Ed surviving Kimblee's blast. Now, I know it was calculated to be only 8-C, but this was an all-out attack from Kimblee, when he was given a much stronger philosopher's stone than the one he casually made a 90 kiloton feat with. So this being a 7-C feat seems fair for me.
2. Second one is the infamous Father feat. People say that Ed didn't take the blast and was protected by Hohenheim. False. Here it's clearly shown that Ed was hit.
3. Third one is Ed beating Pride. As seen here, Edward destroys Pride's philosopher stone. Enough said.
4. Kimblee can survive his own explosions with no damage at all, only torn clothes.
5. Scar's brother survives (well, he doesn't instantly die) Kimblee's explosion, the one that was actually calculated.
6. Finally, there's Ed surviving Father's stomp, which split clouds.
In the end, we have 6 different feats. And these are just direct and from the manga. I'm pretty sure there are more feats in video games and Brotherhood, which could be used as support.

 

[ShrekAnakin]

Following to see what comes of this.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Also following

 

[Migue79]

Following this. Seems interesting enough.

Though I see surface area being very problematic in many of these explosion feats.

Second point, fifth point and sixth point does seem to make sense at first glance. I may need to brush up on my FMA knowledge, though.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

Well, Kimblee is obviously standing right in the middle of his explosion. And Pride feat has Ed literally overpowering a Philosopher's Stone.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

Now, there are also several video game feats. They could support the rating. In the game Fullmetal Alchemist: Stray Rondo, Ed beats this guy. He was pretty much using a Philosopher's Stone made of his memories.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

Bump.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I recall @Matthew_Schroeder having concerns with Tier 7 Edward, and something about Kimblee only being Tier 7 with Philosopher's stone. Or it being outlierish for Ed to be Tier 7 without one as well. I think @AKM sama and @Elizhaa also might have interest iirc.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Yeah I'm pretty sure all the Tier 7 feats in FMA are done with Philosopher's Stones or by the weakened version of Father from the final battle, who also has a Philosopher's Stone so whatever.

 

[AKM sama]

First is Ed surviving Kimblee's blast. Now, I know it was calculated to be only 8-C, but this was an all-out attack from Kimblee, when he was given a much stronger philosopher's stone than the one he casually made a 90 kiloton feat with. So this being a 7-C feat seems fair for me.

But the feat is calculated at 8-C...

Second one is the infamous Father feat. People say that Ed didn't take the blast and was protected by Hohenheim. False. Here it's clearly shown that Ed was hit.

Ed being hit doesn't mean he was not protected. They all took some of it but most of it was taken on by Hohenheim.

Third one is Ed beating Pride. As seen here, Edward destroys Pride's philosopher stone. Enough said.

I think Pride was weakened from the inside due to Kimblee's interference.

Kimblee can survive his own explosions with no damage at all, only torn clothes.

But his explosion was calced at 8-C right?

Scar's brother survives (well, he doesn't instantly die) Kimblee's explosion, the one that was actually calculated.

Yeah, you can't use this to scale anything. He literally took a lot of damage and died. Sometimes humans survive a bomb explosion for a while before they die, doesn't mean they scale.

Finally, there's Ed surviving Father's stomp, which split clouds.

That stomp only caused strong winds where Ed was standing. Idk how that is a durability feat.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

>But the feat was calculated at 8-C....
Bu that logic, in order to scale to a solar system dude, you specifically need to survive a solar system being destroyed.
Hoenheim didn't protect Edward, it was seen he was protecting Izumi.
>Pride was weakened by Kimblee.
No he wasn't. He simply distracted Pride, giving Ed time escape Pride's attempt to absorb the body. This doesn't affect the fact that Ed overpowered his Philosopher's Stone ( when you think about it, Kimblee still being alive after Pride absorbed him could also be a 7-C feat.
Scar's brother was very close to Kimblee during explosion, actually closer to Kimblee than all the colliteral damage. He also died cause he spent most of his energy on healing Scar, but I'm not sure.
>But his feat was calculated at 8-C, right?
8-B. However, that was again an all-out attack he was intending to kill Philosopher Stone wielding Alphonose with.
>That storm caused a lot of wind where Ed, stood, idk how that's a durability feat.
Well, cause the clouds moved and Ed wasn't teared to shreds?

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

Yeah I'm pretty sure all the Tier 7 feats in FMA are done with Philosopher's Stones or by the weakened version of Father from the final battle, who also has a Philosopher's Stone so whatever.

I don't ask to scale anybody to Father, I mean scaling to Father's super casual blast.

 

[RoyGundam]

You don't have to be 7-C to survive a 7-C explosion. Only the production of a 7-C explosion is actually 7-C. The force spreads out in a shockwave and based on the distance and size of the body someone on a lower Tier can easily survive a higher Tier explosion

 

[RoyGundam]

The way shockwaves are treated on here is extremely wrong

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

You don't have to be 7-C to survive a 7-C explosion. Only the production of a 7-C explosion is actually 7-C. The force spreads out in a shockwave and based on the distance and size of the body someone on a lower Tier can easily survive a higher Tier explosion

The problem is, characters were actually extremely close to the explosion, closer than the so-called production. Kimblee is obviously in the middle of his explosions.

 

[RoyGundam]

A : Pretty sure Kimblee takes care to not blow himself up - he directs his blasts away from himself
B : The actual explosion wasn't even 7-C in the first place - which makes sense because they were basically indoors
C : both Kimblee and Edward have been impaled by normal metal rods. In Ed's case it may even be as simple as falling debris

 

[RoyGundam]

Also, Pride's homunculus body had been severely weakened when Ed beat him. He was most likely running short on soul-juice

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

A : Pretty sure Kimblee takes care to not blow himself up - he directs his blasts away from himself
B : The actual explosion wasn't even 7-C in the first place - which makes sense because they were basically indoors
C : both Kimblee and Edward have been impaled by normal metal rods. In Ed's case it may even be as simple as falling debris

Kimblee had torn clothings here, which means he did take them. Again, by your logic in order to scale to a 4-B feat you would necessarily take the Solar System being destroyed. Ed being impaled by a rod is blatant PIS.

 

[RoyGundam]

Kimblee had torn clothings here, which means he did take them. Again, by your logic in order to scale to a 4-B feat you would necessarily take the Solar System being destroyed. Ed being impaled by a rod is blatant PIS.

It's probably just dust and debris. If I remember correctly, that panel is after a short skirmish with Alphonse who also had a philosopher's stone. Human characters in FMA are typically portrayed as extremely skilled fighters with borderline superhuman strength and durability but nothing on the scale of 7-C. Bradley/Wrath - who was the pinnacle of human ability in the series was damaged by a bullet and generally makes it a point to dodge gunfire. Several of the Bradley rejects - who are stated to be his equal physically (as they had the same training) were taken down by normal bullets

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

It's probably just dust and debris. If I remember correctly, that panel is after a short skirmish with Alphonse who also had a philosopher's stone. Human characters in FMA are typically portrayed as extremely skilled fighters with borderline superhuman strength and durability but nothing on the scale of 7-C. Bradley/Wrath - who was the pinnacle of human ability in the series was damaged by a bullet and generally makes it a point to dodge gunfire. Several of the Bradley rejects - who are stated to be his equal physically (as they had the same training) were taken down by normal bullets

FMA is already 8-C physically here, so no.

 

[AKM sama]

Bu that logic, in order to scale to a solar system dude, you specifically need to survive a solar system being destroyed.

No, I'm asking where the 7-C rating is coming from?

Hoenheim didn't protect Edward, it was seen he was protecting Izumi.

This is not Edward, but Izumi?

No he wasn't. He simply distracted Pride, giving Ed time escape Pride's attempt to absorb the body. This doesn't affect the fact that Ed overpowered his Philosopher's Stone ( when you think about it, Kimblee still being alive after Pride absorbed him could also be a 7-C feat.

Pride was already so weakened that his one foot was already in the grave. On top of that, the scan you linked debunks your proposal itself. Ed invaded Prode and defeated him from the inside, that's hax not AP.

Kimblee maintaining his consciousness inside of Pride isn't a dura feat.

Well, cause the clouds moved and Ed wasn't teared to shreds?

And it did not do any damage on the inside where they were at nor to their surroundings. So this "feat" is pretty meh and questionable.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

7-C came from a Kimblee feat via a Philosopher's stone iirc.

 

[RoyGundam]

The sheer number of times FMA top tiers are hurt by standard gunfire should put Tier 8 durability of human characters into serious question as well (with the possible exception of Major Armstrong and Sig Curtis). Scar - who is one of the top physical fighters in the series bled from a glancing bullet wound and was badly hurt by getting shot in the leg. Gluttony (a homunculus) had his entire upper body blown to tiny bits by a grenade

7-C came from a Kimblee feat via a Philosopher's stone iirc.

The argument for 7-C durability comes from the ridiculous assumption that Kimblee, one of the smartest characters in the series deliberately nukes himself every time he casts his alchemy

I want to make it clear that I have no issues with FMA characters having extremely high AP or defense through alchemy. After all, they supposedly utilize energy from plate tectonics so the theoretical upper bound of what they could accomplish is as high as Tier 6-A. However, they are consistently portrayed as just somewhat superhuman physically

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

Kimblee doesn't deliberately nuke himself every time. He nuked himself when he tried to kill Alphonose, who was wielding. Philosopher's Stone at the time.
>This is not Edward, but Izumi?
Oh, sorry. My bad for not showing you the whole context. Ed wasn't shielded from the blast and took it. Then he rushed to Izumi who was protected by Hoenheim.
I suggest scaling Ed to Kimblee for one simple reason. Kimblee is casually 7-C and Ed survived an all out explosion from him.
>Pride was nearly in grave.
He was nearly in grave because of fighting edward iirc. Ed blocked a fair share of his attacks btw, even with average automail. Killing Pride would be an AP feat cause he didn't just kill him from the inside, he destroyed his Philosopher's Stone.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

>And it did not do any damage on the inside where they were at nor to their surroundings. So this "feat" is pretty meh and questionable.
Fair enough.
>Kimblee maintaining his consciousness inside of Pride isn't a dura feat.
Fair enough.

 

[RoyGundam]

Kimblee doesn't deliberately nuke himself every time. He nuked himself when he tried to kill Alphonose, who was wielding. Philosopher's Stone at the time.

Just no .... This is the fight in question. You can see that Kimblee very specifically does 3 things in the fight :
1. Use mainly small explosions
2. Direct the explosions away from him
3. Get out of the explosion range if he can't direct it away from himself
Furthermore, as for the actual explosion with the Philosopher's stone : his main objective was to free Pride and push back Al, both Pride and Alphonse are some distance away from him and he very calmly used his surprise weapon i.e. the stone. There is absolutely no reason why Kimblee should have caught himself up in that. And finally, immediately after this happened Kimblee gets his throat absolutely crushed by Heinkel - who is a Lion-human chimera ... So Heinkel has 7-C biting strength according to you ?

Kimblee isn't casually 7-C in physical durability. No one is in FMA. The mountain of incidences of Top Tiers getting hurt by gunfire is proof of that. Having a Philosopher's stone on their person just boosts their alchemic skills and allows them to circumvent equivalent exchange - it doesn't boost their physical stats unless it's a Homunculus

He was nearly in grave because of fighting edward iirc

Actually not true. Pride's body was going to shit before he started fighting Ed. In fact, Ed noticed this. Forcing Mustang to open up the gate took a heavy toll on him

I showed it to prove that Edward wasn't shielded from the blast.

But he very clearly was shielded from the blast as you can see in later panels

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

>I'm talking about a specific scan where he caused a hige explosion and clearly took it. It being 7-C made good sense as he was intending to finish Philosopher's Stone Alphonose.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

>But he very clearly was shielded from the blast as you can see in later panels
He very clearly wasn't. It looked like it in the later panels cause he MOVED.

 

[RoyGundam]

>I'm talking about a specific scan where he caused a hige explosion and clearly took it. It being 7-C made good sense as he was intending to finish Philosopher's Stone Alphonose.

See that's the problem ... There is no such thing as "Philosopher's Stone Alphonse". It's just Alphonse with a Philosopher's stone - which gives him an alchemy boost.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

And so? It was still clearly an all out blast.

 

[RoyGundam]

He very clearly wasn't. It looked like it in the later panels cause he MOVED.

No. Ed and Izumi had fallen very nearby. They were both shielded by Hohenheim

 

[RoyGundam]

And so? It was still clearly an all out blast.

It was directed away from himself. The blast shockwaves can be seen circling around the dome that Hohenheim had made - which was barely damaged at all - which means that it probably wasn't even 7-C in the first place

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

It wasn't, as it was seen he was hit.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

And it's 7-C as it was all out.

 

[RoyGundam]

It wasn't, as it was seen he was hit.

And it's 7-C as it was all out.

There's literally nothing to infer any of this

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

We can assume this, as Kimblee complimented Al's alchemy and considered him a worthy opponent, it makes sense for him to go all out.

 

[AKM sama]

RoyMustangGundam is right. I completely agree with his points here.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

Well, what about the Father feat?

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

No. Ed and Izumi had fallen very nearby. They were both shielded by Hohenheim

He's not large enough to block.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

The sheer number of times FMA top tiers are hurt by standard gunfire should put Tier 8 durability of human characters into serious question as well (with the possible exception of Major Armstrong and Sig Curtis). Scar - who is one of the top physical fighters in the series bled from a glancing bullet wound and was badly hurt by getting shot in the leg. Gluttony (a homunculus) had his entire upper body blown to tiny bits by a grenade

The argument for 7-C durability comes from the ridiculous assumption that Kimblee, one of the smartest characters in the series deliberately nukes himself every time he casts his alchemy

I want to make it clear that I have no issues with FMA characters having extremely high AP or defense through alchemy. After all, they supposedly utilize energy from plate tectonics so the theoretical upper bound of what they could accomplish is as high as Tier 6-A. However, they are consistently portrayed as just somewhat superhuman physically

Ok. Goku's human level at best, he got killed by a lazer.