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Ion, actually read the thread, I was LITERALLY talking about it.
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Culex: Back to Low 2-C
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The "eats time" statement is irrelevant, it's not in the original and therefore not canon.
Same with the matter and antimatter stuff, that shit is nonsense invented by the English Translation. Disregard it.
Same with the matter and antimatter stuff, that shit is nonsense invented by the English Translation. Disregard it.
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Also 90% sure that when Culex is talking about having the "Ultimate power over two" he's talking about the second dimension. Because later in the same boss dialogue he starts talking about the power of the third dimension.
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Nice, Matt ignores the second half of the post.
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Your arguments about inheritance of time and power over creation are literal headcanons, Weeb. Nowhere is that confirmed or shown to be literally true, it's just literally two lines of dialogue without context. I don't need to take your assertion over what they mean because they're literally just your opinion.
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> Matt ignores me yet again.
Alrighty.
Alrighty.
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That's not headcanon, just his interpretation, and why would that be wrong?
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The same thing.
And I addressed it in my post. There's no way to make a true objective statement about the few statements that are actually real and canon, they are way too vague and interpretative to mean any tier.
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I agree with this upgrade
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I mean having ultimate power of two doesn't suddenly make him weaker is it confirmed that this state meant him being all powerful over the second dimension it could be referring to time and space or any two things or even the mathematical importance of 2 perhaps I say we keep the profile change his tier to unknown and add a note saying no to using the vague statements he made or involve him.
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The problem isn't the statement the problem is that Weeb is pretending the statement means he has power over "Past and Future" or "Creation and Destruction" when there's no evidence.
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The second dimension isn't a thing, I explained the 2-D arguments already. It's a FF reference.
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A lot of the game is references, that doesn't mean Culex in-universe isn't originally from the 2nd Dimension.
This has nothing to do with tier, I don't believe in Dimensional Tiering anyways. You can be 2D and be stronger than 4D, for example.
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Nothing about powerscaling is "true objective", people on this wikia need to stop acting like that, and no, headcanon and interpretation aren't the same thing
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Sure it is, something that is shown on the screen / panel / page is objective.
Homelander cutting this airplane in two is an objective feat because we literally see it happen on-screen. We can confirm that it happens with our eyes. Meanwhile, Madelyn Stillwell stating in a later episode that Homelander "survived being hit with every weapon in the world" is a subjective feat because we don't see it happen and we cannot confirm how literal she is being with her statement, and even if her statement includes nukes or not.
This is why Homelander is Building level and not City level.
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You see that doesn't confirm that the power of two means the second dimension, I am not saying he isn't 2-C I am saying his statements are vague as hell. Also how do we go about the big Mario CRT.
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Ahhh,Because it is licensed by Nintendo.
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Nintendo of America licensing a magazine isn't the original game made by Nintendo of Japan + Square Enix, the original primary sources in Japanese take precedence over a Nintendo Power article. This is like using the back of the Viz Media Volume for Dragon Ball to say that Goku crossed half of Namek in a second to reach Freeza. Which people did in the past, until it was pointed out how fake that was in comparison to the actual manga.
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Saying its "vague as hell" without reason isnt a good argument
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The difference between the Viz and Goku scan was that statement was contradicted. It hasn't been contradicted here.
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I have seen feats that happen on screen being contested multiple ways because of diferent interpretations, even "objective" feats like that
Of course there is "objectivety" but in a powerscaling approach that is very limited because of several factors, even "objective" feats can be refuted
Of course there is "objectivety" but in a powerscaling approach that is very limited because of several factors, even "objective" feats can be refuted
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PROVE. THE. POSITIVE.
This is how debating works. You can't just pretend your headcanon isn't contradicted when nothing supports it.
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There are degrees of objectivity.
With Homelander's feat he blatantly sliced the airplane in half. The subjectivity comes in questioning whether or not that should scale to his Physical Power, for example. But the feat existing at all isn't questionable.
In regards to Culex it's many levels more subjective because the feat literally doesn't exist, it's just two statements.
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No no no. If someone makes a statement in fiction, we allow it unless it's contradicted or an obvious hyperbole. Neither of these are the case buddy.
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We won't allow a vague, unproven statement that can be interpreted in a dozen different ways either, I explained it in depth. Please don't be dishonest. There is no feat that could ever upload Culex.
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You don't not want to say Nintendo power is word of God that can of worm
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Nothing in the statements prove anything, though. "Consume time" means nothing. I can say I consumed a cheeseburger, but only eat a little bit of it. Doesn't mean I ate it all, you need evidence of that. There is no evidence of that here.
Regarding Nintendo Power, do we know who wrote that in? Was the writer someone actually connected to the game and its development? If not, it's nothing more then a fan gushing over a character, it's just a fan who happened to get paid for it.
Regarding Nintendo Power, do we know who wrote that in? Was the writer someone actually connected to the game and its development? If not, it's nothing more then a fan gushing over a character, it's just a fan who happened to get paid for it.
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Literally Ignores what blaze said.
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Not only are several articles in them inaccurate, but even if we did square enix own the character.
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I addressed. Blaze's opinion of what the two statements is meaningless when his dishonesty in mixing translations and using non-canon statements has already been exposed.
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Yes that was my point? Why did you quote my post just to say what I said in diferent wording? How pointless
Also yes, it is true he doesn't have a "feat" of blowing stuff up, but he still has the statments that can be indeed used, the fact that you keep denying statments to be feats even after people who agree with you think statments can be valid in certain circunstances
Also yes, it is true he doesn't have a "feat" of blowing stuff up, but he still has the statments that can be indeed used, the fact that you keep denying statments to be feats even after people who agree with you think statments can be valid in certain circunstances
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Does he?
"Ultimate power" / "power over" are meaningless. They can mean so much and do not prove he is Low 2-C. Culex is featless.
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Anyways, gonna count votes.
Agree: 18
Disagree: 4
Agree: 18
Disagree: 4
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When person runs out of arguments they just try to chain-wall FRAs.
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What the heck is that logic,how consuming time means nothing,why would he consume a little bit of it especially since he have power over time from the beginning to the end, that quote isn't supposed to be more specificted smh
Also yes indeed,its not a play on words,its an official magazine licensed by nintendo,by ones from nintendo actually,it tells them about the facts in the game,idk where u get that "fan" statement from.
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Yes, those statments can still be uses, sure you can scream it's vague all you want but by definition they can still be uses, not sure why you added he was featless when i had already said it, pointless
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Okay and? How is this relevent?
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That's a massive lowball assumption because it assumes he only did some of it and not all. Considering how he refers to all of time from start to end, it makes lesser sense if it were only part of it.
At the final pages it states, "The Super Mario RPG Player's Guide from the pros at Nintendo holds all the answers." So they would have to be people from Nintendo.
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Irrelevant, the guide is english, the game is Japanese, it's not a primary source. You're just trying to pick up statements in places, like with you trying to use the English version too.
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