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Invulnerability In Relation To Durability Tier?

MeleeniumRXJ

MeleeniumRXJ

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What does it mean to have invulnerability listed as a power set, and how does it tie into a character's listed durability?

E.g. Say two characters are fighting each other. Both their durabilities are listed at City Level, and for the sake of simplicity, they're measured at exactly the same amount of joules (let's say 6.3 megatons which is where City Level starts). However, one character (let's call him Character A) has "Invulnerability" listed under his powers and abilities, but Character B doesn't. What durability advantage does A have over B if they're both exactly City Level in durability?

Is it a case where Character B can be worn down over time with a series of attacks that are under (but fairly close to) 6.3 megatons, where as Character A will completely no-sole anything under 6.3 megatons? Or is it something else? Is there any difference at all?
 
I think there was a motion to remove invulnerability as a power because it was extremely vague.

For example, a power consistently listed underneath Superman's skill set is Invulnerability. This implies that he is invulnerable, cannot be harmed by anything. This is obviously not the case. He can still be hurt by opponents in his weight class, and can be harmed by other, more haxy, options, meaning he's not invulnerable.

If you think about, Invulnerability should really only be given to Tier 0's, cause there truly incapable of being hurt by anything.
 
Invulnerability should only be used for characters with some ability like Achilles', which negates attacks that aren't from divine opponents.
 
I'm not saying it wouldn't be, but it's useful against things on their own level.
 
@J-Man

Obviously hax would bypass it, but Achilles' invulnerability is explicitly stated to be irrespective of power, as Balmung couldn't leave a scratch on him while Chiron's vastly weaker arrows could.
 
Invulnerable is the ability to be immune to attacks lower than their level; unless specific hax or associated weakness was involved. Durability typically comes in different categories, but joules of energy is the primary standard for AP and Durability. sharp objects, temperature attacks, poison, and magic can often negate durability in case by case scenarios. Invulnerability is pretty much the ability to be durable on all sorts of attacks with the exception of great hax or listed weakness. Post-Crises Superman for example is invulnerable to all physical attacks less than 4-B, but Kryptonite and magic negate that ability. Wonder Woman also has invulnerability, but it's listed on her profile that sharp objects are her weakness; she has immunity to magic less than 4-B and her gauntlets can block 3-A attacks though.
 
Promestein said:
Invulnerability should only be used for characters with some ability like Achilles', which negates attacks that aren't from divine opponents.
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I agree with this.
 
Basically, invulnerability is simply the conditional ability of being able to not be affected by things that would otherwise hurt you.

The reason why Invulnerability is on Superman's profile is because of the fact that his bio-electric field wards off most forms of harm.

However, I think we should remove it, since it ultimately has a durability threshold and is thus not true invulnerability.
 
I agree with Reppuzan as well.
 
Feel free to do so if you wish.
 
I would appreciate if some staff member would be willing to remove the ability from them.
 
@Ant

I've done so.

@Meleenium

No. He doesn't nullify the damage. His elastic body just makes him resistant to blunt force.
 
@J-Man

Well, I haven't been following Super all that much, so I sort of assumed that wasn't the case given that Vegeta can push Botamo back and hurt him by shoving all of Botamo's fat out of the way (or at least that's how I remember it. I still don't follow Super all that closely).
 
In the anime it is said that Botamo is capable of transferring attacks to another dimension, causing no damage to him, and also not causing attacks to even make him budge thanks to the attack not even connecting. Piccolo and Vegeta state that even as a Super Saiyan Goku would be unable to damage Botamo, but if he were to go Super Saiyan Blue he might be able too.

Is what the dbz wiki says on it.
 
@J-Man iirc that was just a random, off-handed comment made by Jaco, not something meant to be taken literally
 
@Reppuzan

Thank you for the help.
 
So anyway, I still feel like I don't understand what invulnerability means. Why does that character above, Achilles, have invulnerability if his durability finite?
 
Invulnerability may be a redundant ability, yes, given that it is easily interpreted as hyperbole.
 
@Meleenium

Invulnerability is an ability separate from durability. Whie you're invulnerable, you can't be hurt through conventional means. When you're not, you take damage like everyone else.
 
@Reppuzan

So what does that mean? If someone is invulnerable with planet level durability, what happens if they're hit by a star level attack? Do they still no-sole it because the attack is "conventional"?
 
@Meleenium

For true invulnerability, yes.

Fate's Achilles wouldn't be affect by an Anti-World attack if there wasn't a Divine component behind it. That's just how it works.
 
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