Natz vs Nero

Summary
Natalie is the deuteragonist of the Epic Battle Fantasy series, with Matt and Anna being the primary protagonist (depending on game) and Lance being the tritagonist. She is an expert mage in both white and black schools, making her arguably the strongest, or at least most versatile member of the party, only rivaled by Lance.

Powers and Stats
Tier: At least 5-A, likely higher

Name: Natalie, often shorten as Natz.

Origin: Epic Battle Fantasy

Gender: Female

Age: Teenager to early 20s. Likely 14 in "One More Final Battle"

Classification: Human, Magician, The Girl

Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Fire Manipulation, Ice Manipulation, Electricity Manipulation, Light Manipulation, Darkness Manipulation, Poison Manipulation, Explosion Manipulation, Holy Manipulation, Water Manipulation, Earth Manipulation, Healing, Summoning, Forcefield Creation, Staff Mastery, Can harm Intangible beings, Can negate conventional durability with magic, Curse Manipulation, Empathic Manipulation, Time Manipulation (Can slow down and stop time with the "Pocket Clock" flair, but the effect is activated randomly) Can negate Magic and Statistical Amplification (With Syphon and Dispel), Resurrection, Status Effect Inducement, Death Manipulation, Information Analysis, Resistance to Elemental Manipulation, Death Manipulation, Status Effect Inducement, Space-Time Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, Existence Erasure (Survived against Akro), Magic, Antimatter Manipulation, Radiation Manipulation, Gravity Manipulation, Magic Negation and Statistics Amplification Negation (Can change her equipments instantly during the battle to change her resistances) | All of the above, Flight and Homing Attack in the Bullet Heave games.

Attack Potency: At least Large Planet level, likely higher (Her Magic should be at least as strong, if not much more powerful than Matt's physical might, which could split the planet in two)

Speed: FTL (Comparable to Matt)

Lifting Strength: At least Class T (Completely unfazed by Akron's black hole)

Striking Strength: Unknow during Epic Battle Fantasy 2-3 (Focuses on Magic, not brute force)

Durability: At least Large Planet level (Tanked hits from Lancelot and Lazarus, who are considered's Matt's equals)

Stamina: Very High, she doesn't seem tired from casting any big spells.

Range: Hundreds of metres normally, higher with Tsunami, Hundreds of kilometers with Genesis and Supernova, Planetary with Ion Cannon.

Standard Equipment: Huge variety of staffs that improve melee combat somewhat, as well as dresses.

Intelligence: Master magician and well versed in white, black and summoning schools of magic.

Weaknesses: Does not like slimy or gross things, scared of the dark, doesn't like fighting cute things.

Notable Attacks/Techniques:

• Star Shower: Causes several small stars to rain down on enemies.
• Ion Cannon: A giant weapon from Space shoots an utterly massive laser at Earth.
• Fire Storm: Expert fire magic.
• Ice Storm: Expert ice magic
• Thunder Storm: Expert thunder magic.
• Judgement: A pillar of holy light is blasted from under the enemies feet.
• Pulsar: Creates a large blob of Dark magic, theorized to be a small black hole but not proven.
• Kyun: Refreshes and fully heals herself and her party.
• Genesis: A massive celestial beam with a damage radius of roughly the size of the UK.
• Canti: Summons Canti to attack her enemy.

Summary
Saber (Òé╗ÒéñÒâÉÒâ╝, Seib─ü) is the Saber-class Servant available to be chosen by Hakuno Kishinami in the Moon Cell Holy Grail War in Fate/Extra and Fate/Extra CCC. She is often called Red Saber (ÞÁñÒé╗ÒéñÒâÉÒâ╝, Aka Seib─ü) to distinguish her from other Sabers.

Saber's identity is Nero Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus (ÒâìÒâ¡Òâ╗Òé»Òâ®ÒéªÒâçÒéúÒéªÒé╣Òâ╗Òé½Òé¿ÒéÁÒâ½Òâ╗ÒéóÒéªÒé░Òé╣ÒâêÒéÑÒé╣Òâ╗Òé▓Òâ½Òâ×ÒâïÒé»Òé╣, Nero Kuraudiusu Kaesaru Augusutusu Gerumanikusu), the Fifth Roman Emperor. She had the reputation of a notorious tyrant whose rule was made up of schemes and poison as she oppressed all religious forces, especially Christians, and the Roman Senate during the period from 50 to 60 AD. It is believed in one theory that the Book of Revelation was written as a reaction against said oppression. She was regarded in the same light as the devil, as the assumed Hebrew pronunciation of of her name as a emperor, Nero Caesar pronounced as "NRVN QSR", equates with the "Number of the Beast". This name and the "Beast of Babylon" refers to Rome itself and it is not an alias given to her as an individual.

Powers and Stats
Tier: 5-A

Name: Saber, Nero Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus

Origin: Fate/Extra

Gender: Female

Age: 30 at the time of her death

Classification: Servant, Emperor of Rome, Saber-Class Servant

Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Can gain skills with Imperial Privilege (Such as boosting her stats and other things), Resurrection, Soul Manipulation (all Servants can consume souls to replenish their mana), Resistance to Magic (Including effects such as Petrification, Mind Manipulation, and Spatial Manipulation), Regenerationn (High-Low), Pocket Reality Manipulation, Can resurrect herself up to three times with Thrice-Setting Su | All previous abilities, along with Resistance to Matter Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, Information Manipulation, Probability Manipulation, Time Manipulation, Reality Warping, Causality Manipulation, Life Manipulation, Death Manipulation, Fate Manipulation, Probability Manipulation, Mind Manipulation, Power Nullification and Illusion Creation, Time Paradox Immunity (After obtaining the power of the Root of the Beginning, BB, who is able to manipulate space-time, causality, probability, information, gravity, life, death, minds, senses, powers, and souls through her usage of Potnia Theron, was unable to affect Nero due to being opposed by a power of equal potency)

Attack Potency: Large Planet level (Defeated Kiara Sessyoi, who grew several times larger than Earth and is an existence comparable to a True Demon)

Speed: Massively FTL+ (Flew 1500 light years in a short period of time and positioned herself between her Master and Kiara while flying at such speeds)

Lifting Strength: Superhuman+

Striking Strength: Large Planet Class

Durability: Large Planet level (can live through Kiara's Noble Phantasm)

Stamina: Virtually tireless for as long as she has a steady supply of prana. She can take hits from the likes of Gawai, Lu Bu, and Karna and continue to fight.

Range: Extended melee range with her sword.

Standard Equipment: Her sword, Aestus Estus

Intelligence: Saber, true to her class, is an accomplished swordswoman despite her ditziness and lack of fame as one during life, being able to clash with foes as skilled as Gawai, one of King Arthur's finest knights and a fellow Saber. She is grandiose and flamboyant, but strangely perceptive when she needs to be, taking note of her Master's flaws but accepting them for who they are. She is also well aware of her limits and is able to judge most Servants with a glance, advising her Master to retreat when necessary.

Weaknesses: Gets migraines, the skills she gains via Imperial Privilege are not permanent, Dependent on her Master for prana and an insufficient amount of prana will reduce her combat effectiveness and nullify her Regenerationn. Like a Reality Marble, summoning and maintaining the Aestus Domus Aurea is taxing for Saber, so she can only keep it active for a limited amount of time. Somewhat flamboyant and is a prideful romantic, but she'll keep her ego in check when fighting seriously.

Notable Attacks/Techniques:

Noble Phantasms

• Aestus Domus Aurea
• Aestus Domus Aurea's Activatio
• ver. Fate/Extra CCC
• Fax Caelestis
• ver. Fate/Grand Order
• Laus Saint Claudius

Aestus Domus Aurea: Golden Theater of the Flamboyant: Red Saber's Noble Phantasm, which represented the explosion of her bothersome artistic talent. Its precise name was Aestus Estus Domus Aurea. In Latin, Aestus Estus meant "passion" and "heat", while Domus Aurea was the name of the theater that was constructed. It is different from a Reality Marble in that it is constructed on top of the existing world rather than overriding it. In this arena, everything is made advantageous for Saber, which is reflected in-game by upping all of her parameters by one rank (multiplying them by a factor of ten) and gradually weakening her opponent as well as allowing Saber to completely ignore their defenses. In addition, due to the legend in which Nero angrily locked the gates after people began leaving her play out of boredom, escape from this arena is impossible unless she wills it. There are also certain skills that she will only use within its confines:

• Fax Caelestis: Closing Rose That Fames Stars: Saber's most powerful attack, recognized as a B+ Rank Anti-Unit Noble Phantasm under the FATE System. Saber swings her sword in a circle motion, engulfing it in flames before thrusting it through her opponent, posing dramatically as her foe is engulfed in a massive burst of flame. Alternatively, she'll leap into the air before coming down on her opponent with a downward slash before bisecting them again with a horizontal slash, once again posing as flower petals burst from her foe's wounds.
• Laus Saint Claudius: Imperium of the Maiden's Flowery Words: Another powerful skill used by Saber and is recognized as a B-Rank Anti-Team Noble Phantasm under the FATE System. Saber rushes past her opponents, leaving flower petals in her wake as she bisects them all with a powerful slash.

Personal Skills

• Imperial Privilege (þÜçÕ©Øþë╣µ¿®, Kōtei Tokken, localized as both "Royal Prerogative" and "Emperor's Prerogative"): is an ability that, due the insistence of the owner, Skills that are essentially impossible to possess can be obtained for a short period of time. In cases when the Rank is ðÉ or above, even the "burden to the body" is acquired (such as Divinity). For Nero, the relevant Skills are Riding, swordsmanship, fine arts, Charisma, Military Tactics and others.

• Migraine (Úá¡þùøµîüÒüí, Zutsü-Mochi, literally "one who has a headache"): is a curse inherited from the birthplace of one's previous life. Due suffering from chronic headaches, the success rate of mental Skills decreases considerably. Because of the presence of this Skill, it is hard for Nero's to perfectly demonstrate her valuable talent for fine arts and limits her application of her Imperial Privilege skill.

• Thrice-setting Su (õ©ëÕ║ªÒÇüÞÉ¢ÚÖ¢ÒéÆÞ┐ÄÒüêÒüªÒéé, Sando, Rakuyō wo Mukaete mo, literally "Invictus Spiritus: Thrice, Though I Welcome the Setting Su"): is a skill that is used to revive oneself when falling in battle, it is similar in nature to God Hand, but it must be prepared beforehand. In Fate/Grand Order, it will instead revive Nero three times when used.

-5-A Versio (Nero with Mythological Mystic Code of the emperor)

-Speed Equalized

-Resurrection is restricted for both

Now i hope this isn't a stomp...

You put best girl against best girl, not cool man......not cool.

Anyway, it kinda comes down to AP here.

I couldn't resist ovo

And i wanted to celebrate my 5*Star Caster Nero

And you put her up against Natalie, who, like Nero, is in a versus thread against Bayonetta.

Neat.

Anyway, where does the fight take place? In the Reality Marble? Or outside?

I didn't know that lol

Well iirc Nero scales from Kiara who is 10 ninatons, while EBF2 Natz scales from being>>>>>>>>>>>>>Brawl Royale Matt who is 1,8 ninatons with a casual strike.If we assume that Natz is just 4 times stronger than Brawl Royale Matt's casual feat (which is a lowball) Nero should be around, say, twice as strong.

Natalie can also buff herself up to a x1,7 multiplier and dispel stat amping. Her healing also nopes battle of attrition just like Nero's regen.

Idk who wins

Nero's Reality Marble increases her statistics along with decreasing her opponents stats by a decent margin, along with giving her many different anti unit Noble Phantasms she can use 1 by 1.

Natz can halve the stats of the enemies, as well as inflicting curses to keep them low

Really don't know if that works in the Reality Marble but I digress.

The location is outside

I screwed up the math earlier tbh. 1,8x4x1,7= 12,24. So Natz while amped is like that.

@Gar

Natz resisting power nullification includes stat decrease

Also can't Natz blow up the Reality Marble?

Alright, that may pose a problem. Thankfully it's activation is short and can be done Mid attack. Once it is used, Ion cannon and Star Shower will be nullified, along with being able to scatter explosive roses around the arena making it impossible for Natalie to escape.

Plus she gets access to many noble phantasms once in to increase her power even further.

Kaltias said:

I screwed up the math earlier tbh. 1,8x4x1,7= 12,24. So Natz while amped is like that.

@Gar

Natz resisting power nullification includes stat decrease

Also can't Natz blow up the Reality Marble?

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Fair enough, but that doesn't stop Nero from getting a huge stat boast and various strong attacks.

What do you mean?

Natz can kinda make herself resistant to explosions tho. To the point where she can directly convert the damage into HP.

I mean, like, using Supernova/Genesis to destroy it. It's the size of an arena, no? And Natz already survived pocket dimensions collapsing on top of her.

Star Shower also creates the mini stars right in front of the enemy, it doesn't drag actual stars from the sky (or else this key would be tier 4).

There is the issue with the summons too. Something like a Cosmic Monolith should have no problem teleporting inside

How does a 5A survive pocket dimensions collapsing on her?

In the case Star Shower Nero should be fine in dodging.

Are there any feats showing that said summons can teleport inside the Reality Marble? It's specifically designed to stop that from happening.

Because it's a small pocket dimension.

They appear literally at a meter from her and there are multiple shots. Possible to dodge, but hard.

They can freely teleport inside of Akron's pocket dimension (same race, different tier) which is supposed to destroy pretty much everything that enters and the CM's teleportation is likely interplanetary. Other summons likely can't tho.

I see.

If they're a different tier they can't be used. Plus does Natalie have any way to counter NP spam whether it be from flame stars, or flowery words?

Absorbing fire damage probably helps with the former. Also Natalie is kind of a spammer herself. How good is Nero against status effects?

You misunderstood, I meant that those who teleported inside of Akron's pocket dimension did it and are High 4-C, but the 5-A Cosmic Monoliths should be able to do it because they have the same powers, they are just weaker.

These are the same Reality marbles the BB and Kiara fail to break. To say they can easily enter because they have the same powers as their superior counterparts is presumptuous.

Flame stars is just the name of the attack, only uses flame on the blade, other then that it's a multi hitting sword strike.

Nevermind, voting inconclusive for now.

Never said easily, and the difference is just AP. They managed to enter it trough space-time manipulation, which they can control to the point of freely distorting space just to dodge attacks, and that's while they are in a place where space-time is already twisted beyond recognition.

That's exactly what Matt's fire swords do and high enough elemental absorption reduces the damage to 0.

Yeah, for now I go inconclusive too.

Both are pretty darn good fighters and counter each other blow for blow, be it trough buff/debuffs, status effect and summon negation. Battle of attrition will also take a while due to healing on Natz's part and Nero's regen.

Natz is still the best girl tho (Ó©ç┬░┬░)Ó©ç

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Hmmm, does BB's Power Nullification apply to stat amping as well? If it nullify only skills, Natz can nullify the bonus granted from the Reality Marble

I will go for inconclusive cause I can't decide which is the better girl. (And because of what Kaltias and Gargoyle said.)

Kaltias said:

Hmmm, does BB's Power Nullification apply to stat amping as well? If it nullify only skills, Natz can nullify the bonus granted from the Reality Marble

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I mean....She tries too...But the Reality Marble kinda negates that.

Is that so? Are you sure she doesn't neg that because of the power of the Root of the Beginning instead of RM?

Anyhow Inconclusive-3 (Karutiasu, Gargoyle,William)

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Well, it doesn't really matter what nullifies it because she has the Root of the Beginning here. Although curses and status effects should still help with it

BB's power nullification nullifies special stats as well.

ALRF said:

Is that so? Are you sure she doesn't neg that because of the power of the Root of the Beginning instead of RM?

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Nope, because that would be pretty stupid if the only reason for a reality marbles existence in the verse gets negged....

Ah i see~