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Battle for the Strongest Low 2-C: Chaos Vs Lavos

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Chaos Vs Lavos


I have not found low 2-C Comparable to Chaos for an Excellent Vs Fortunately there was Lavos;), I will try Megaman or Lucemon another time,

  • Round 1: Chaos Base Form Vs Lavos
  • Round 2: Sailor Chaos Vs Lavos
Speed Equalized

Chaos : 1

Lavos : 6

Inconclusive: 0
 
Again, Lavos's large range gives him an advantage. And depending on tje degree of Chaos's manipulation, Lavos should clear round 1 with ease. How powerful is Sailor Chaos's conceptual manipulation?

For round 1: Lavos 5.5/10
 
In fact, Sailor Chaos is resistant to Conceptual Manip, but it also has a conceptual manipulation it can manipulate the concept of existence (on the profile, it is written "Essence Manip) itself" Star Seed Form "and Controlled, it can prevent the Regen and Reboot/ rewrite the existence of someone

Yes, Round 1, Chaos loses, he can not kill Lavos despite his chaos manipulation, But Sailor Chaos Has access to all the capacity of its aspect (I would put the link tomorrow, I am tired) .... The Round 2 is Decisive
 
DD wins round 2 via Power Mimicry and Absorption. Considering it got to 2-A via absorption and has the capacity to affect and consume intangible or abstract stuff such as thoughts, dreams and memories, it's a matter of time before Chaos gets assimilated herself for several reasons.

One is that DD is likely higher on the scale of Low 2-C and will keep going up from there.

Two is that it outclasses her in the hax department.

Three is the aforementioned range.

Four is that Chaos uses magic. Magic has horrible compatibility with Lavos since that can be passively drained and gets even worse in DD where Magical/Energy attacks heal the thing as much as they should damage as soon as it changes phase (which happens after it takes some attacks). Anything else and the thing will spam a passive Mana Reaver to drain energies simply by being attacked over and over.

There's also resistance voiding, a ton of different manners of absorption and stuff.
 
Considering he's an abstract existence himself (well, more like Non-Existent, but we get a similar end result at this point) and has shown the capability to affect stuff that is abstract (Dreams), I would think so. But if it's somehow a stretch, leave it at Absorption.
 
Why, tho? I don't think Chaos is anymore of an abstract thing than "Dreams", which it has shown the capability to interact with. But as I said, if it's a stretch, leave it at absorption.

Also, wait, did you mean copy the STATE OF BEING or if he can copy Chaos' powers?

Because if it's the first, definitely not. If it's the second, I'd think so.
 
As I said in the thread: I feel like copying the very stats of the targets is game mechanics. Copying their abilities is the reasonable part. Otherwise we'd get "Lavos copies Elder God Demonbane and goes High 1-A".
 
Yeah, although this does give Lavos more of a chance against Yggdrasil...assuming he doesn't get reformatted first. But that's beside the point, Lavos for Fate's reasons.

Though I wonder, what would win?

Susanoomon's Grau Larm or Lavos' Mimicry?...hmmm....
 
BFR is out of the Question since Lavos can casually get in and out a place that Multiversal teleportation is not enough to get out of.

Essence Manip, you'll have to elaborate on that because Lavos still has Acausality and Yggdrasil didn't win simply because it could reformat it - it could also prevent acausal alternates from coming along. Plus Lavos has more hax and is higher on the Low 2-C scale so it definitely wouldn't stand there waiting for Chaos to do its thing.

As for the hax of the minions, being completely honest they're either mostly moot or not better options than what Chaos herself has already listed on her profile.

EDIT: You edited that out, nevermind.
 
Okay, Regarding Manip Essence, this has never been used on Acausal Being but it can handle the Life Concepts of a person.

Concerning the Tier:

Low 2-C <Base Chaos via presence <<< Lambda Senshi (x1) <Lambda Senshi (x8) <<< Sailor Chaos = Sailor Cosmos I do not know to what degree is lavos so I think it could be above Chaos
 
DD Lavos is Low 2-C just by being there, and since it "might" end all of existence in an infinite multiverse, it's generally considered anywhere between way above baseline Low 2-C and 2-A, while it keeps going up from there overtime (we can't confirm DD can do so before going TD so it's better this way).

Yes, it's not killing as much as it's absorbing it - if that's not enough confirmation, Dragon God was a Mid-Godly regenerator (managed to manifest within dimensions long time after Lavos had already consumed it).
 
Yeah, Chaos, unlike a few certain other digital beings, doesn't seem to have a way to fend this stuff off. Plus, Absorption =/= Killing so she would have the need to regenerate.
 
I don't think absorbtion would be the best option to defeat Chaos. Chaos would just assimilate him or fuse with him. (from Pharaoh 90 and Queen Metallia, and Chaos himself). And He can be in two places at once and throughout time (from Death Phantom) So while Chaos and Lavos are trying to abosrb each other, Chaos can still attack him.
 
>>> Pharaoh 90 and Queen Metallia.

>>> Literally leagues below DD and were already aspects of Chaos anyways.

Sorry but that's quite the Non-Factor when Lavos' absorption feats cap at 2-A (which, by the way, he did in his Base Large Planet key and skyrocketed to higher tiers), while Chaos is at Low 2-C in scale of said hax. In a battle of assimilation, that is more than enough to determine who's getting absorbed when Chaos is outclassed on too much stuff to keep the thing at bay forever.
 
Like seriously, Metalia at her absolute highest is 3-A, and Pharaoh 90 doesn't even reach that. They're literally an infinity below DD, while Chaos is lower than it in the scale of Low 2-C as well.
 
Yeah, literally the last thing a Magical Girl wants to do is fuse with Lavos... Instant f***ing over the rest of your now eternal life.
 
FateAlbane said:
>>> Pharaoh 90 and Queen Metallia.
>>> Literally leagues below DD and were already aspects of Chaos anyways.

Sorry but that's quite the Non-Factor when Lavos' absorption feats cap at 2-A (which, by the way, he did in his Base Large Planet key and skyrocketed to higher tiers), while Chaos is at Low 2-C in scale of said hax. In a battle of assimilation, that is more than enough to determine who's getting absorbed when Chaos is outclassed on too much stuff to keep the thing at bay forever.
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I don't understand your point. I mentioned those names as those were where those abilites came from. As they are incarnations. Not that they could take on Lavos.

Low 2-C is where this battle is at? Why bring up 2-A power range. Chaos has assimilation, absorbtion, and straight eating and digesting souls as well energy and power. Chaos fused himself and corrupted with Galaxy Cauldron that can easily erase acausal beings and destroy timeline in an instance by touch.

Anyways. Like I said while Lavos is trying to absorb, Chaos and can be in mutiple places at a time (through out time). Attacks through out time, destryoing and warping spacetime, existence manipulation, destroying things pass nothingness, regernation negation. Also de-aging, curses, and being able to seal people in their own attacks ( I mean imagine if Lavos gets sealed inside his own absorption? if that makes sense). As well as being able to still function and attack while being sealed.

How is just absorbing going to deal with all that? Choas can take Lavos's concept of existance away from him and eat it.
 
1. My point is that feats on a way lower scale are moot against way higher characters with feats of their own.

2. You know, hax has this thing called Scale, which is independent of tiers. For example, GEOM has higher dimensional hax on a extremely big 1-B scale while being 3-D. Lavos has Absorption hax on a 2-A scale, which trumps any assimilation Chaos has ever displayed.

3. That's still not impressive at all when DD can consume entire timelines as well... And is it just me or are you ignoring Acausal alternates coming along?

4. Sorry, but you're starting to overestimate Chaos abilities. For one, Chaos range is Universal+ at best. Lavos is Multiversal+. Saying Chaos can be in multiple places through a time is literally moot because messing with an entire timeline is child's play at this point for DD. She is in one timeline against a being who can come from infinite ones and from non-existence. Deaging against an Acausal non-existent being who also warps space time? That's sure to work. Existence Manipulation against a Non-Existent being? Plus do tell me how she uses that stuff instead of just giving buzz words.

Yeah, she'll need a lot of luck destroying non-existant alternates over and over, especially when her range is insufficient to do so and her opponent surpasses her in pretty much everything.

Lavos also has regen negation. Moot. Again, ignoring power mimicry as well. Again, Lavos' absorption trumps any feat Chaos has of dealing with it in scale. This isn't being sealed, it's being consumed, integrated into the DD.

5. Taking the existence away from a non-existent being who outclasses her in everything and, even if affected, would still have alternate copies of itself coming along to wreck Chaos even harder? That isn't happening.
 
Also I don't see one thing in Chaos Profile about erasing past nothingness. Much less erasing Low 2-C beings who are >>> than her on the go.
 
Anyways, vote count is currently:

Lavos: 3 (FateAlbane, Dragonmasterxyz, The real Cal howard)

Chaos:

Inconclusive:

Didn't count Fan's vote yet because he voted for round 1 and 2 is the decisive one. Didn't count Ultima because it was meme.
 
FateAlbane said:
Also I don't see one thing in Chaos Profile about erasing past nothingness. Much less erasing Low 2-C beings who are >>> than her on the go.
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concerning chaos, his presence alters the timeline and would change the story He also Kill the Lambda Senshi who have Mid Godly and Lambda power Édit: Update OP
 
1. These feats aren't on lower scale. These are abilites that Chaos has and given to people. They should scale to him.

2. If all Lavos can do is absorb to defeat Chaos, then that's not a real good argument compared to the multiple of things Chaos can do. Chaos isn't going to wait around for him to abosrb especially when Chaos likes to make elaborate plans to get what he wants and is very meticulous.

3.What's not impressive?

4. Chaos has Multiversal rage. Nehellenia alone was able to attack cross universes. And The silver crystal was able to pentrate different spacetimes and Chaos is above it tremendously. As well Pharaoh 90 comes from a different space-time too.

"Saying Chaos can be in multiple places through a time is literally moot because messing with an entire timeline is child's play at this point for DD. "

And chaos can mess with entire timelines as well. He was destroying history as well warping the entire spacetime contiuum by his presence alone. Still. He can be in multiple places. Unless Lavos can match fight simultatenasly at different points in space and time, you can't just ignore that ability.

". She is in one timeline against a being who can come from infinite ones and from non-existence"

Chaos can exist in places were the concept of time and space do not exist. He is not bound to one timeline.

"Deaging against an Acausal non-existent being who also warps space time? That's sure to work."

The Senshi are acausal and the feat worked on them.

"Existence Manipulation against a Non-Existent being? Plus do tell me how she uses that stuff instead of just giving buzz words."

Existence attacks and manipulation is literally the main form of attack in the last arc of Sailor Moon.

"Yeah, she'll need a lot of luck destroying non-existant alternates over and over, especially when her range is insufficient to do so and her opponent surpasses her in pretty much everything."

She'll not need to destroy anything. All she'll have to to is take the concept of existance of one and manipulate it to fight with her or use gain it's power. Every battle she'll add one more till it's almost useless.

5. The only thing you've tangibly mentioned that out matches Chaos is absorbtion that's it. And again, Chaos can seal Lavos in his own attacks.


And Destroying things past nothingess should be on Chaos's profile. I saw there last time. That was the main big thing about Sailor Chaos. Sailor Chaos destroyed the cosmos to a point were Sailor Comsos who can regenerate things from nothing couldn't repair the damage.
 
@Dodo Ok, that sounds 'k. Though altering the timeline and changing history wouldn't work against Acausality or a non-existent who acts independently of Space-Time.

Killing Mid-Godly is a thing, but Lavos naturally wouldn't just be there letting itself be erased and still has alternates so Chaos would be stuck killing the thing over and over - and the range disadvantage plus the other points is what settles it.
 
You miss my point that Chaos doesn't have to erase Lavos. She can just collapse his existence and manipulate it and make lavos fight for her. The collpasing of one's existence is instatneous. In Sailor Moon, the only person who was able to survive it was Sailor Moon and she did it by recreating her existence.
 
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1. Yeah, no. That's textbook definition of NLF. If Chaos uses a power that has lower feats, she's not affecting someone with higher scale feats than her own.

2. Do tell me what are those ways of putting Lavos down Chaos has. I've debunked every single one of them so far as far as I'm concerned. And again, she's outclassed in basically everything. You're just ignoring the arguments above at this point.

3. The exact feats you just mentioned, they aren't impressive at all for a Low 2-C on DD's level. In fact, they're most chump change in Low 2-C matches.

4. Not what her profile states so go make a CRT for that. Until you prove there that Chaos can affect infinite timelines, yeah, no. She's Universal+. Just crossing dimensions does not mean you have multiversal range. What?

5. One. Timeline. Her range is Universal+. His is Multiversal+. And there's 0 things in her profile saying otherwise. She doesn't even have Omnipresence in one timeline, while her opponent has influence across INFINITE ones and you're claiming Chaos has the advantage? Your argument equals saying that 1 >>>>>>>>> Infinity. Even if she was Omnipresent, at this point being across a timeline is irrelevant for someone who can, you know, bust it entirely.

6. Good for her, DD is entirely independent of infinite ones. Again, outclassed.

7. The senshi are leagues below Lavos on the scale of Low 2-C and their acausality and hax doesn't even begin to compare with what Chaos is facing here. It's like comparing Daishinkan to Goku. They're not non-existent either and again, are you ignoring Power Mimicry and the plethora of hax Lavos has?

8. Then I feel sorry for Chaos trying to manipulate existence against a being who can consume it and is non-existent. Just adds to her losing side.

9. Overestimating her capabilities a lot. She'll do that how exactly? Her opponent is higher than her in both hax and the scale of Low 2-C. She has 0 feats to deal with Absorption on a 2-A scale. I could even argue about Lavos mimicking her powers but I don't even need to when he literally can drain her in a ton of different manners. Acausal alternates are independent. Whatever happens to one Lavos doesn't matter at all to another. Unless Chaos got rid of them all she would be stuck until losing. Which really won't be necessary because again, she will be absorbed by one DD and saying she'll up and control a Low 2-C higher than her is BS.

10. Because it's really the only thing that Lavos needs to put her down. She'll be being killed over and over and regenerating until Lavos simply absorbs her and calls it a day. It's not that Lavos can't affect her. It's that Absorption is literally his way of bypassing Mid-Godly regen. She'll still have to regenerate while being attacked. Also I mentioned a ton of stuff above. Stop strawmanning.

11. I know. And it was removed because was debunked as BS. Stop extrapolating her powers so much.
 
Iamunanimousinthat said:
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How many dreams, thoughts and memories have you touched? How many nothingness have you seen exist? If that doesn't qualify as abstract to you, guess Chaos isn't either, since it ultimately is more of an existence than Nothingness itself. Hmmm...
 
Iamunanimousinthat said:
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Again, you're making a lot of NLF here without bringing a single occasion of her doing that against a superior Low 2-C to the table. And how will she collapse the existence of a Non-Existent being who does not exist in the first place? You're literally claiming that she oneshots, which is NLF to a massive degree here. You're ignoring the Acausal alternates that, even in the small chance where one Lavos was defeated, would just come along anyways, independent of the one that was affected, to resume the match.

You're also constantly ignoring that Lavos can literally just abuse the massively superior range INFINITE timelines to ONE, to overwhelm Chaos. Chaos lacks the means to affect all the alternates with that range and that just adds to her downfall as she lacks a feat to deal with the Absorption - which does bypass her Regen and scale of assimilation.
 
1. How is that A NLF. It literally ends where Chaos's power ends.

2. You didn't debunk anything. Saying. This is won't work. Isn't a debunk. I literally responded to each of your argumetns with another argument why I think it would work.

3. Saying a feat isn't impressive isn't an argument.

4. Sending attacks and energy across universes means you can have multiuniversal range. Chaos isn't limited to one timeline. And Lavos doesn't have omnipresence so it's not like it can attack from every way at once.

5. I literally already said that Chaos has range across mulitple unvierses. Unless Lavos is going to destroy all infintie timelines. And his profile says range deals with eating dreams, and memories across the multiverse.

7. Has Lavos shown resistence to being deaged. You can't claim an attack that Lavos hasn't faced won't work on him. That's not how it works.

8. You keep saying that Lavos is non-existence. When his profile doesn't say that at all. It says that he existed in the non-existance of the end of time, which sounds like a place and not that Lavos himself is non-existent. Characters in Sailor Moon comeback from nonexistance all the time that doesn't make them nonexistant.

9. Now you're accusing me of overestimating her abilites?

"She'll do that how exactly? "

Instantly collapse his existence. You have yet to give an argument why that can't work other than "it won't work" or "Lavos is above that". Has Lavos shown resistence from that? Has Lavos shown immunity to this? Has Lavos shown a counter to this?

"Her opponent is higher than her in both hax and the scale of Low 2-C. She has 0 feats to deal with Absorption on a 2-A scale. "

The only thing you've proved is that Lavos has better absorption which I agreed. But I also stated that Chaos still has a cornacopia of other abilites that can work against Lavos.

" I could even argue about Lavos mimicking her powers but I don't even need to when he literally can drain her in a ton of different manners. "

Oh look an actual argument. As for Power Mimicry. Chaos has dealt with people with the same powers as him and would be better at reisting his own powerset than Lavos would be at using it. Esepcially if he can collapse Lavos's existence he can use all of Lavos's power.

"Unless Chaos got rid of them all she would be stuck until losing. Which really won't be necessary because again, she will be absorbed by one DD and saying she'll up and control a Low 2-C higher than her is BS."

I must not have been clear. Chaos can collapse Lavos and make any independent Lavos his own person, and can build an army of them. This ability can turn lavos existing as different seperate entities against him. And Chaos isn't facing all of them at once initally.

10. You need to look up the definiton of strawman. It sounds like its the only thing Lavos has to put her down. What's going to kill her over and over again. All you've mentioned is the absorbtion and the Power mimicry. Again I repeat, what is Lavos going to do stop fomr having it's existence immediately collapsed. That's like the go to move during fights.

11. You can't debunk something that's literally part of the plot. And there was no discussion about it being debunked.
 
Dreams and memories are literally electrons buzzing thorugh your brain. Represenations of light, sounds, and other senses you've recorded. It more deals with mental manipulation than it does abstract manipulation.

And how are you accusing me of NLF. you keep claiming none of Chaos's ability will work on Lavos because Lavos is above Chaos as if that means something. They're in the same tier. Chaos's abilties work on him. You need to start pointing out resistances, immunities, and countermeasures. Not vague, "Lavos is above this". I'm not Saying Chaos can take on a 2-C lavos or a 2-B or 2-A. But she can deal with it at Low 2-C.

And Yes. Infintie Range. Doesn't mean automatic win. Lavos isn't omnipresence. Speed is equal. Choas can still reach him. Chaos can travel and reach across multiple universes/spacetimes as well can exist in areas where time and space do not exist. Chaos isn't going to stand there and let Lavos going to abosrb her. Standard distance applies here. Chaos is going to strike as fast and as hard she can. Collapsing existence the go to attack of the high end Sailors ignores durability and is instatenous.
 
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