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So, let's analysis Goku's feat. We start with Goku and Beerus clashing their fists. Their clashes create bunch of shockwaves. 3 clashes and the shockwaves were going to destroy the universe. That's alright, but the problem is that Goku wasn't going to destroy the universe with his own power. The shockwaves created by their clashes were going to destroy it. Elder Kai STATED that these shockwaves were getting stronger as they were traveling in space. And even at their starter point ( their weakest state ) they managed to push both Beerus and Goku back. In fact, SSJG Goku even screamed when he got hit by one. So it's fair to say that these shockwaves were superior to both of them. Many people bring the statements from the narrator, but the problem is that the narrator statements are just for hype and they are wrong almost all the time. The narrator's statements are not more reliable than character statements. If they get contradicted in the show itself then they are pretty much worthless. So the only actual feat performed by them was when they shook the Mortal Universe on their first clash. However, i doubt that shaking the universe is even close to destroying it.
Not only that they weren't going to destroy the universe with their own power, but the feat was also poorly written and very inconsistent and it shouldn't be taken seriously. Remember how the shockwaves were proven to be superior to Goku and Beerus? At the time these shockwaves couldn't even destroy the Earth. In fact, they didn't even hurt people on Earth. Taking this feat seriously would be like saying that Goku and Beerus aren't even planetary. And that's bullshit since even the Saiyan Saga characters were confirmed to be planet busters. Not only that, but the speed of the shockwaves was also inconsistent. The people on Earth could see and react to them, yet they reached the Kaioshin Realm in the frame after? Are they slower than sound or MFTL+?? This feat shouldn't be taken seriously.
And their blast clash literally debunks that the universe was going to be destroyed to begin with. We know for a fact that their blasts are stronger than their fists. So logically the blast clash would be stronger than the fist clashes, right? Meaning that the shockwaves created by the blast clash would also be stronger than the ones created by their fist clash. Yet these shockwaves didn't destroy the universe. According to Elder Kai, the shockwaves from their third clash were going to destroy the universe. And we know that the shockwaves were the problem because the reason the universe didn't get destroyed after their third clash according to Elder Kai was because Goku matched the force and the angle of their attacks which prevented the shockwaves from coexisting. If the shockwaves from their third clash were really going to destroy the universe, then why didn't these even stronger shockwaves do it later on? So this pretty much points out that everyone was wrong and the universe wasn't going to be destroyed. I know that people are gonna bring some narrator statements so I'm gonna say it again, these statements are just for hype and they are very often inaccurate. If they get contradicted in the show, then they're completely worthless.
Okay, so now the only thing left for me to debunk is their blast clash being capable of destroying the universe. Elder Kai did say that the universe was gonna get destroyed, but after the energy spreads across the universe. Therefore, it was going to be more of a chain reaction than anything. Very similar to Omega Shenron's Minus Energy which was going to spread across the universe and destroy it via a chain reaction.
And let's be real here, after all that inconsistency the feat has shown, after all the poorly written statements and even the proof that they were wrong that the universe would be destroyed the first time, could you really take anything from this feat seriously? I mean, people complain when other fandoms use inconsistent scenes to downplay, yet this fandom can be just as bad. Everyone uses inconsistent feats to wank. So it's getting kind of hypocritical at this point.
"But wait, isn't Goku comparable to Beerus and Champa who would destroy the universe if they fight each other?"
Yes, it was stated that both universes would get destroyed if they fought, but we don't know HOW were they gonna get destroyed. From what we know it was gonna get destroyed by shockwaves just like when Beerus fought Goku. Or they were gonna destroy it planet by planet and star by star until nothing's left as they were doing in the manga. So until we get a consistent universal feat performed by Beerus, Champa or Goku that makes sense, this statement shouldn't be taken seriously. Besides, Goku is nowhere near their level as form now since Golden Freeza who's SSJB level barely managed to escape Sidra's energy of destruction while Beerus destroyed it with his breath alone.
I think it's the best to downgrade everyone except Zen'o and Spirit Zamasu to 'Solar System level, possibly far higher' since there's no evidence of them being even Galaxy level at this point. Maybe characters such as Merged Zamasu and Vegito Blue would be Galaxy level if we go by the manga since Zamasu said that he was gonna destroy the entire galaxy, but that's the highest they go.
I really do feel like this wiki is starting to ignore alot of debunks over the feats in Dragon Ball just because people will get mad at them if they downgrade somebody, but this wiki shouldn't be biased. It shouldn be biased just to satisfy the fans.
Not only that they weren't going to destroy the universe with their own power, but the feat was also poorly written and very inconsistent and it shouldn't be taken seriously. Remember how the shockwaves were proven to be superior to Goku and Beerus? At the time these shockwaves couldn't even destroy the Earth. In fact, they didn't even hurt people on Earth. Taking this feat seriously would be like saying that Goku and Beerus aren't even planetary. And that's bullshit since even the Saiyan Saga characters were confirmed to be planet busters. Not only that, but the speed of the shockwaves was also inconsistent. The people on Earth could see and react to them, yet they reached the Kaioshin Realm in the frame after? Are they slower than sound or MFTL+?? This feat shouldn't be taken seriously.
And their blast clash literally debunks that the universe was going to be destroyed to begin with. We know for a fact that their blasts are stronger than their fists. So logically the blast clash would be stronger than the fist clashes, right? Meaning that the shockwaves created by the blast clash would also be stronger than the ones created by their fist clash. Yet these shockwaves didn't destroy the universe. According to Elder Kai, the shockwaves from their third clash were going to destroy the universe. And we know that the shockwaves were the problem because the reason the universe didn't get destroyed after their third clash according to Elder Kai was because Goku matched the force and the angle of their attacks which prevented the shockwaves from coexisting. If the shockwaves from their third clash were really going to destroy the universe, then why didn't these even stronger shockwaves do it later on? So this pretty much points out that everyone was wrong and the universe wasn't going to be destroyed. I know that people are gonna bring some narrator statements so I'm gonna say it again, these statements are just for hype and they are very often inaccurate. If they get contradicted in the show, then they're completely worthless.
Okay, so now the only thing left for me to debunk is their blast clash being capable of destroying the universe. Elder Kai did say that the universe was gonna get destroyed, but after the energy spreads across the universe. Therefore, it was going to be more of a chain reaction than anything. Very similar to Omega Shenron's Minus Energy which was going to spread across the universe and destroy it via a chain reaction.
And let's be real here, after all that inconsistency the feat has shown, after all the poorly written statements and even the proof that they were wrong that the universe would be destroyed the first time, could you really take anything from this feat seriously? I mean, people complain when other fandoms use inconsistent scenes to downplay, yet this fandom can be just as bad. Everyone uses inconsistent feats to wank. So it's getting kind of hypocritical at this point.
"But wait, isn't Goku comparable to Beerus and Champa who would destroy the universe if they fight each other?"
Yes, it was stated that both universes would get destroyed if they fought, but we don't know HOW were they gonna get destroyed. From what we know it was gonna get destroyed by shockwaves just like when Beerus fought Goku. Or they were gonna destroy it planet by planet and star by star until nothing's left as they were doing in the manga. So until we get a consistent universal feat performed by Beerus, Champa or Goku that makes sense, this statement shouldn't be taken seriously. Besides, Goku is nowhere near their level as form now since Golden Freeza who's SSJB level barely managed to escape Sidra's energy of destruction while Beerus destroyed it with his breath alone.
I think it's the best to downgrade everyone except Zen'o and Spirit Zamasu to 'Solar System level, possibly far higher' since there's no evidence of them being even Galaxy level at this point. Maybe characters such as Merged Zamasu and Vegito Blue would be Galaxy level if we go by the manga since Zamasu said that he was gonna destroy the entire galaxy, but that's the highest they go.
I really do feel like this wiki is starting to ignore alot of debunks over the feats in Dragon Ball just because people will get mad at them if they downgrade somebody, but this wiki shouldn't be biased. It shouldn be biased just to satisfy the fans.
