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@Ivo I see you've ignored my scans for episode 14.
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Why Goku ISN'T universal!
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1. Have you even WATCHED the fight?! These explosions destroyed multiple planets in their fight, and this was with SSG Goku....Ivo Komitov said:
2. That means shit, feats are feats.
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1) IIRC they said Goku was nullifying the shockwaves so that they didn't destroy earth.
2) He said Zeno is the God among Gods because he is the absolute strongest. You are making up context that does not exist. Zeno erasing the universe and them being surprised doesn't make them weaker. They are mostly afraid because in this case not only all of the universe, but they themselves will be erased.
2) He said Zeno is the God among Gods because he is the absolute strongest. You are making up context that does not exist. Zeno erasing the universe and them being surprised doesn't make them weaker. They are mostly afraid because in this case not only all of the universe, but they themselves will be erased.
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Zeno literally raised his hand and a universe was erased. That's not just overwhelming power, but that's also some degree of Reality Warping (Which the Angels and specially Grand Priest also seem to have, what an amazing world). It makes sense for them to be scared.
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As Elder Kai said, the shockwaves were getting stronger as they were traveling in space. At first they weren't planetary since they couldn't destroy Earth, but then they got stronger. At their starter point, when they couldn't even destroy Earth, they were capable of affecting Goku and Beerus.Gargoyle One said:
What feats? Feats performed by shockwaves rather than the characters themselves? u
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The shockwaves were from the characters themselves......
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Do you even know what shockwaves are? They are produced by the punches that the characters throw.
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It wasn't contradicted. Not just the narrator, but the Kai's and I believe Whis confirmed it as well. Nothing states the shockwaves were stronger than Beerus or Goku. Unless you can give me a source that says such a thing. Poor Writing does not make the feat less legit.
It wasn't stated, yes. It was SHOWN that they were superior. During their first and second clash, the shockwaves managed to push both Goku and Beerus back. SSJG Goku even screamed by the hits. Which is a proof that they really were superior. And it got contradicted because the shockwaves that came from the blast clash didn't destroy the universe. And since the clash was stronger, then the shock waves were logically stronger as well.
It wasn't stated, yes. It was SHOWN that they were superior. During their first and second clash, the shockwaves managed to push both Goku and Beerus back. SSJG Goku even screamed by the hits. Which is a proof that they really were superior. And it got contradicted because the shockwaves that came from the blast clash didn't destroy the universe. And since the clash was stronger, then the shock waves were logically stronger as well.
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Those examples do not show that they are superior since said characters themselves created them. Just because it hurts you =/= superior to you.
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Yes.. But these shockwaves were shown to he superior to the characters even at their starter point.
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No they weren't. You're making up context.
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@Ivo
Try getting yourself and another guy to punch each other's fists. It's gonna hurt like hell. That's not an indication that they are superior.
It doesn't change the fact that said energy comes from Goku + Beerus.
Also, you can hurt yourself with a punch. You can try it at home if you don't believe me (Actually don't).
Try getting yourself and another guy to punch each other's fists. It's gonna hurt like hell. That's not an indication that they are superior.
It doesn't change the fact that said energy comes from Goku + Beerus.
Also, you can hurt yourself with a punch. You can try it at home if you don't believe me (Actually don't).
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No. Goku wasn't nullifying them because you could literally see them going through Earth. Goku only nullified the shockwaves from their third clash.Dragonmasterxyz said:
He said that because Zeno destroyed a universe.
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Wrong entirely, how did they even become superior to what was creating them?Ivo Komitov said:
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He nullified the power of them so that earth wouldn't be destroyed.
Give me a scan.
Give me a scan.
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Yet Beerus' punch didn't hurt Goku and Goku's punchs didn't hurt Beerus. The shockwaves hurted Goku. So even at their starter point these shockwaves were stronger than their punches.Dragonmasterxyz said:
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What? Beerus' punches and Goku's punches were hurting each other the entire fight....
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A punch from someone weaker then you will still hurt you.
You lack common sense.
You lack common sense.
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Goku literally said he nullified the shockwaves and Beerus comments that he would have done it if Goku didnt.
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I was talking about the punches from their first 3 clashes. During these clashes, Goku and Beerus didn't hurt each other. The shock waves hurted Goku. So these shockwaves were stronger than Beerus' punch. Which was stronger than Goku's.Dragonmasterxyz said:
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Beerus' punch didn't hurt Goku during their clash while the shock waves did.Gargoyle One said:
The shockwaves > Beerus' suppressed punch >/= Goku's punch.
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Apparently shockwaves that Beerus makes are stronger then Beerus himself......Ivo Komitov said:
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It was never stated that it nullified the power out of them. And if he did, they wouldn't hurt him.Dragonmasterxyz said:
Champa said that after Zeno destroyed universe 9 and said that the feat was insane. I'm gonna find a clip in a minute.
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@Gargoyle
That is OVERKILL .
That is OVERKILL .
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I'm just showing evidence. If you're gonna make fun of anything make fun of Super's writing, not me.
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Yes. But if the shockwaves hurt Goku more than Beerus' punch then they're obviously superior.Matthew Schroeder said:
Logically the shockwaves would be FAR weaker than Goku and Beerus but Super's writing is just that bad.
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What are you saying.
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He said that he was trying to, but he only succeed during their third clash ( and the majority of the battle afterwards ). But he failed to nullify them during their first 2 clashes.RadicalMrR said:
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During their first 2 clashes, the shockwaves dealt more damage to Goku than Beerus' actual punch. So the shockwaves must be superior to their attacks ( illogical but we're talking about Dragon Ball Super after all ). And that's just at their starter point. They were getting stronger as they were traveling in space. That's my point.Matthew Schroeder said:
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You're not showing evidence, or at least, evidence that's actually makes sense.
No, it's called getting hurt by someone weaker then you, and that isn't illogical.
No, it's called getting hurt by someone weaker then you, and that isn't illogical.
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You're saying that it makes sense yet you haven't even debunked it.Gargoyle One said:
You're ignoring my point. Beerus' punch didn't hurt Goku while the shockwaves did. Therefore, the shockwaves are stronger than Beerus' punch. And Beerus' punch was stronger than Goku's by a tiny bit.
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Everyone's debunked it already.
Nope, never happened, I even rewatched the fight.
Nope, never happened, I even rewatched the fight.
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You've said you posted evidence...yet you haven't posted a single scan...
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Can this be closed already?
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I disagree. The majority of the people just said that the shockwaves were created bh them so they must be weaker although it was shown that they were stronger.Gargoyle One said:
And it did actually happen.
http://www.crunchyroll.com/dragon-b...god-of-destruction-vs-super-saiyan-god-723539
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Goku is completely fine when he clashed with Beerus. Yet after the shockwaves appeared Goku was shown being pushed back and screaming on 08:09. The difference in time is that big because we had 2 minutes of Elder Kai talking. I believe it was shown in another point of this episode too, so i will find it and show it to you in my next comment.
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That doesn't show him hurt, he was screaming because he was flown back. The same way he was screaming when he got flown back after nearly getting hit with a block after meeting Jiren......
That doesn't show him hurt, he was screaming because he was flown back. The same way he was screaming when he got flown back after nearly getting hit with a block after meeting Jiren......
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You don't just scream because something pushed you back. The shockwaves did hurt him. Besides, the fact that the shockwave was capable of pushing him back while Beerus' punch didn't is another proof that the shockwaves were superior. And i'm pretty sure that he didn't scream in agony when he almost got hit by that.Gargoyle One said:
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Yet he has, and did, multiple times, such as, again, when he got flown back by a flying block.
Getting caught off guard=/=getting hurt.
Getting caught off guard=/=getting hurt.
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