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Potential Warhammer 40,000 Tier 5 Upgrades

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So in the recent Dawn of War III game, a pretty solid feat occurs near the end of the main campaign. A battle between the Blood Angels Space Marines, Eldar, and Orks leads to the accidental summoning of a powerful daemon (type not specifically specified, but obviously a Khorne daemon, either a Daemon Prince or minor Bloodthirster). The daemon seems completely invincible, so in order to actually damage it, they ram a ship through the damaged mantle of the planet and into the core, causing it to explode and violently shatter into countless tiny fragments drifting through space. Even after doing this, the daemon is merely weakened due to losing most of his domain, though his manifestation survives.

Now I'm not sure if this can be calced, and while the game's main heroes do not scale to this (they wouldn't have survived the explosion and killed the daemon when it was weakened), there are a very good number of characters in the verse this feat would scale to. I assume it would be somewhere in the Planet level range, but any help on a possible calc/tier would be greatly appreciated.
 
Sounds like a nice upgrade if possible to calc' it.

So by good number of characters that may scale to this, we're talking about those like our anti-hax homeboy Kharn (that's a good way of saying it, right?) and Chaos mage dude Ahzek mmm?
 
@Matt

Specifically a Greater Daemon? If so, that gives a good, clear idea of who this scales to.

@Cross

Kharn definitely scales. He slaughtered Greater Daemons of Tzeentch and Slaanesh, and easily overpowered people who could fight Greater Daemons. Ahriman also scales, as he fought a character who could kill Bloodthirsters (which the Storm Prince apparently is), and has shown to be pretty high up there in terms of psyker prowess (as in "got the upper hand on the Yncarne" high up there).
 
Nice~

Did you ever consider having a calc member calc it? I mean, it would at least probably help with that for ya. Though it does certainly look Planet level to me.
 
@Azzy: Kind of a bit much of asking to, but i always assume Darkanine is available when to comes to doing calcs'. He's probably busy with doing the striking strength revision but he'd possibly help do it.

Another would probably be Xcano or Anton. Gwyn is definitely busy, and i believe Lina is too but i can't say for sure fully on that. The first 3 do come to mind on this, however, that MAY be able to do this feat...maybe, idk...
 
@Cross

Well, regardless of who can do it, it would be extremely helpful, as it affects a lot of profiles.

@Matt

Considering Celestine could briefly contend with Abaddon when she had the help of her Superia (who were made from her own power, anyway), that's definitely not a stretch.
 
I do love that the Sisters of Battle are so ******** in their religious fanatism that they're one of the few factions in the Imperium that has access to Dreadnaughts, but they choose to use them as suicidal punishment by strapping armorless sinners to it's front rather than in any half-effective way.
 
Penitent Engines are the greatest thing since sliced bread with a topping of "I Can't Believe It's Not Heresy" spread.
 
Other way around. Your average Daemon Prince is well below your average Greater Daemon, though the strongest Greater Daemons and Daemon Princes are roughly comparable.
 
So since it seems like a good number of characters will be upgraded to 5-A based on the calc, I'll just quickly write down how the current profiles will be rescaled and the reasons behind it.

Any Greater Daemons who don't scale to higher feats: 5-A (obvious reasons)

Avatar of Khaine: Likely/Possibly 5-A (comparable to Greater Daemons)

Sanguinius: At least 5-A (Broke the spine of one of Khorne's strongest Bloodthirsters), probably up to 4-B at most (current reasons)

Other base Primarchs: At least 5-A, probably up to 4-B at most (Current reasons)

Kharn: At least 5-A (Considered the strongest of Khorne's mortal champions, Has killed Greater Daemons, stated to be more dangerous than a group of daemon engines fueled by some of Khorne's top Bloodthirsters), likely higher (current reasons)

Ahriman: At least 5-A, likely higher (Scales to Kharn, Current reasons)

Typhus: Likely 5-A, possibly higher (Easily slaughtered powerful daemon princes, Often suggested to be in the same league as Kharn and Ahriman)

Abaddon: At the very least 5-A (Casually one-shot a perfect clone of Horus even before gaining the favor of all four Chaos Gods), likely 4-B, possibly higher (Current reasons)

Eldrad: At the very least 5-A, likely 4-B, possibly higher (Only character in the setting to defeat full-power Warmaster Abaddon in combat, so far)

Celestine: At least 5-A, likely far higher/likely 4-B (Current reasons, either or)

Ephrael Stern: At least Low 5-B (Current reasons), likely 5-A (Scales to two Greater Daemons), possibly 4-C (Current reasons)

Marneus Calgar: At least Low 5-B (Easily beat down the Daemon Prince M'kar the Reborn on multiple occasions), possibly 5-A (Killed an Avatar of Khaine)

The Swarmlord: At least Low 5-B, possibly 5-A (Scaling to Calgar)

The Apex Twins: At least 5-A, likely far higher (Current reasons)

Does this seem fine?
 
Looks good. Personally though, I'm partial to removing the Low 5-B tiers from those that scale to this feat altogether.
 
I think we're good enough on the ones you suggested/thought can be scaled from all of this.

Unless Prom or, especially, Matthew or anyone else want to point something out, this seems to be concluded enough. But i'll let you (Azzy) decide when to close this.
 
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