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Heavy JoJo Revisions

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This is a continuation of a previous thread. Please click the following link to catch up from there, or read the following summary below. https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/671209

Due to inconsistencies with the placed Scaling System in the series, it has been decided to remove it entirely and instead focus on actual, usable feats. However, since the verse is so large and split into separate parts where some characters do not interact with one another, it will be a lengthy process to complete. Currently, we are simply finding usable feats for major characters per Part to scale to others before beginning complete reconstruction. This entire process will be, of course, lengthy to finish.

The following have been stated and concluded for these revisions:

Here are some calcs. If more are made as the thread goes on, I'll add them to this list:

The following discussions are those of what we left off in the last thread that have remained unresolved, and current issues that we are discussing now:

  • The possibility of using the novel Purple Haze Feedback as a source for the main canon profiles based off of Araki's statements about the book.
  • The Sheer Heart Attack feat in Part 8 needs to be calculated. It would apply to Damo and Yotsuyu's durability, as well as Sheer Heart Attack and Soft & Wet's AP.
  • Bites the Dust's speed.
 
Also, I think an important feat to calc would be CD retrieving Okuyasu from RHCP. But there's a LOT of variables to consider. Once we can agree on what assumptions to make, we'll be golden.

-How far did RHCP make it towards the electric tower before Josuke brough Okuyasu back?

-How far did RHCP make it while Josuke while Okuyasu was flying back?

I need to know stuff like this to be able to compare Crazy Diamond's speed to RHCP's.
 
For what it's worth im rereading the series, only bit feats so far like Dio punching a hole into a column and fragmenting it which I got wall level for. There's also some feats that would put Tusk Act 1 at like wall to room level.
 
That was some serious downgrade right there.......well whatever, not that big fan of JoJo in a debate anyway.
 
Nah man, ya gotta believe in 8-B JoJo, if ya believe hard enough it's bound to happen. Jokes aside, did anyone calc ShA causing a level 3 quake on the JMA scale and tsunami warnings? Im sure someone had to of by now.
 
I think some concluded stuff still needs some answers.

- The Avdol scaling thing seems like weak reasoning to me. Him knowing DIO could kill him is no indicator of their Stands power-scaling for several reasons:

1. Avdol has no knowledge of how physically powerful the World is. In fact, he has almost no knowledge of it at all.

2. Avdol is scared of DIO because of their previous encounter (in which their Stands weren't relevant) where DIO was trying to "brainwashing" Avdol with his charms. So of course Avdol is going to be cautious of encountering DIO again, but their Stands' physical prowess has nothing to do with it.

3. Not to mention DIO is hyped up as this mysterious, powerful Godly being with a Godly Stand by all the characters. This has no bearing on whether their stands powerscale or not and more to do with DIO's status as a character.

4. Let's not forget the Elephant in the room. Stands in Jojo are regarded more for their unique abilities rather than physical power. A Stand with far lesser AP/durabilty than Magician's Red but with a good enough ability, could kill Avdol easily and he'd have to be an idiot not to know this. Notice how throughout Stardust Crusaders the main characters want to know what DIO's Stand's ability is rather than how strong it is.

- Hierophant Green does have an instance where it tanks a hit from the World. Although this would probably be a durability feat and not an AP one as Jojo stands tend to have a discernable difference between AP and Durability.
 
Anubis was capable of cutting through Polnareff (who was capable of being burned by MR for a while) and Star Platinum fought on par with Twin Blades Polnareff, and DIO scales to Star Platinum, would that be better reasoning?
 
I've just thought about something that could upgrade Star Platinum that I don't think people have mentioned yet. Maybe I'm bending logic a bit here but...

Whenever people calc Star Platinum breaking High Priestess' teeth, they usually only get around Small Building level. However, Star Platinum didn't just break High Priestess' teeth, it punched it hard enough to defeat it. We even see in the next panel after it was punched that the Stand dissapeared which is something that happens when a Stand is physically defeated, causing its user to die or go unconscious (which we also see later o ). Since SP was able to defeat the stand shouldn't it mean it logically scales to it's durability? In which case shouldn't we be taking the rest of High Priestess' body into account in order to work out its durability?

When character A defeats character B in a physical fight, even if they only destroyed a specific part of the body, shouldn't that mean character A's AP scales to character B's durability? Simply breaking High Priestess' teeth wouldn't be enough to defeat the Stand nor kill/knock-out Midler (the user) as a result. I dunno, again, maybe bending logic here a bit. What do you guys think?
 
Reminder: Remember to put links of the statements that automatically sends you directly to the approved fancalcs/evidence for the character's feats in their profiles.

Everyone got it?
 
Some doubts; Didn't Diavolo erase this?

I don't think this is close to the true destructive power of SF, it's just to attack from a distance. (I know it can make other users bleed, but still)

I'm pretty sure that here and here GE and WS only took by surprise Bruno and Jotaro respectively.
 
@J-Man

Whoops. It's fixed now. And no, no SHA calcs. The output of the quake and environmental destruction seem promising, though.

@Karmod

You'd have to go further in-depth my dude.

@Efeciente

No, Diavolo didn't erase that exact moment. As for your remarks on SF, it did the exact same method of attacking on Pesci and killed him. All Bruno does when he does that unzipping his arm is just adding range to his attack, IIRC.

As for Jotaro, he was already aware that Whitesnake was nearby, it wasn't an ambush. I'm not sure how it could exactly count as surprise.
 
@Karmod

Pucci's durability isn't Universal+. Ermes also survived the universe being reset, everybody else was replaced because they died prior to it. Plus Pucci was beat to death by Weather Report's stand, which is nowhere near Universal+.
 
@AN, Ermes was dead, but Emporio did survive it as well, in fact, everyone who wasn't already dead (even regular people) survived, so yeah, no Low 2-C universe reset
 
Yeah, Ermes already died, she just never changed physical appearance. If she lived, she would've recognized Emporio on the spot.
 
Bruno only hits Pesci once and takes him to the air with that, but he kills him with a barrage of punches, not using that. BB has a C in durability and realy doing that was equivalent to hitting a "normal" human, Pesci and his stand are not a good example.
 
ArbitraryNumbers said:
-How far did RHCP make it towards the electric tower before Josuke brough Okuyasu back?
-How far did RHCP make it while Josuke while Okuyasu was flying back?
Both of these are really difficult to answer since we never really do see a pipeline travel scene, but if we can make an assumption, it's likely that RHCP's goal was to fry him and leave him out of this lamp post like how Keicho was fried and left on wires. These below are the best ones I could find of them in the manga and anime.

Lamp post
Lamp post again
Lamp post again once more
Lamp post again once more boom boom fight the power
I have no idea if you could even attempt to find the distance between them and the lamp posts, but I'm just bringing up an idea/suggestion.

The second question is really unknown since even after he was sucked in, there was dialogue before he came back, so I have no idea how far he was in. I'd use the anime to clock the amount of time restoration took place, but I don't have Crunchyroll and other sites don't like the menace that is adblock. Couldn't find the video on YT either, so you're left there AN.
 
JustSomeWeirdo said:
^Stats don't matter here anymore
sorry, I express myself wrong; Bruno was beating a "normal" human as he didn't use his "stand" to defend himself.
 
@Eficiente

Mate, we're disregarding Stand ranks all together (which is the point of these threads), so mentioning them is useless in this scenario. Buccellati still drew blood, and the same goes for King Crimson. If you don't believe his power remained the same, what could you say for the scene where he directly elbows King Crimson? That moment wasn't erased.
 
Does it matter whether or not Diavolo getting hit was erased?

If SF can damage him, then it can damage him. Diavolo erasing the point where he got hit shouldn't change that.
 
@Arigarmy

The power of this may have been severely reduced for this, even with Bruno joining part of that.

Now on the other hand... Are you sure that KC had not erased that? And how much did he resist it? Because KC had a zipper before erase the time, and later not.
 
KC can only erase the current time, it can't erase anything that had already been implemented on it. Zippers being on an object and then disappearing is also a trait of Buccellati's zippers, this page being an example when Doppio's zipper begins to minimize before disappearing. They're not permanent zippers, y'know. I am 100% sure that KC did not erase that action, both for the reasoning of the zippers' traits and the fact that KC can only erase both time and can only act within it while time is currently being erased, and while that attack was taking place, KC was not erasing time at all because he was reacting to being punted in the stomach.
 
3 things; I didn't say they are permanent, but they disappeared too quickly.

To what extent that's a valid example? Because Bruno has control of his zippers and he was involving an innocent.

If KC closed the zipper he had? Then it would fit perfectly, without detecting a "danger" Diavolo does nothing, this is how King Crimson works. And I would continue to have reason; KC didn't resist the attack of SF, only repair it, otherwise it would be very contradictory that Bruno attacked the untouchable KC without him avoiding it. True, KC can only erase the current time, but nothing prevents us from thinking that he predicted that from the "past" since all this situation could last 10 seconds or less (this being the reason why i say this).
 
For what it's worth Pucci clearly doesn't have Universe dura but I can see why MIH could have it. Pucci states that when MIH accelerated time peoples souls remembered their death which seems to imply people died but unless they were killed prior to the reset or by anything besdides the reset itself they get transferred over soul included. So MIH could still potentially tank it's reset if what happens is everyone dies>soul gets transferred to a new body. Of course I read the end of Part 6 a grand total of once years ago so I could very well be wrong, I'll check the chapter later to make sure or if I'm taking it out of context.
 
@TheJ-ManRequiem

The ability of someone Ôëá Something "normal" that someone can do physically, so MiH having universal dura doesn't make sense.
 
MiH also got pummeled by Weather Report's Stand, iirc, and everyone who wasn't already dead survived it, so now Low 2-C dura
 
MIH wasnt actually hit by Weather Report, he went for Pucci. Im not trying for low 2-C but I still need to check to feel okay throwing it out is the best option without knowing for sure.
 
Probably and if it did damage itd debunk universe dura right then and there but Weather Report in the climax didnt touch MIH it was about to fight it but pucci's fingers starting to bleed took him off guard which gave Weather enough time to attack him and then pop his head like a balloon.
 
We don't need someone hurting MiH to prove that his durability is not universal.
 
Just a quick question, and I know this is somewhat off-topic, but should we make a new speed key for Part 2 Joseph?

My reason being is that while the FTL feats are surely justified, does it really make sense for Joseph to be FTL from the beginning of Part 2? It was to my understanding that the laser dodging feat occurred after his training with Lisa Lisa. Meaning that he had time to become more powerful than before and enhance his Hamon. His most impressive speed feats before that were reacting to and reflecting the Space Ripper Stingy Eyes and blocking bullets with Hamon-infused hair.

The scaling from Santana doesn't make much sense, since it was stated and shown that he was inferior to the other Pillar Men.

So, what I'm suggesting it that a new key for Joseph's speed should be made:

At least Supersonic+ reactions and combat speed (Easily reflected Straizo's SRSE, kept up with Santana, who should be superior to Part 1 Dio) | Supersonic+ with FTL+ reactions and combat speed (Dodged a laser, Kepts up with Kars)|Same as before

Pre-Hamon Training|Post-Hamon Training|Part 3

This would affect Joseph's, Santana's and Ceaser's speed, and anyone else this would apply to. Of course, for Ceaser and Joseph, they would get new keys.
 
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