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God Of Highschool Power Additions

Monarch_Laciel

Monarch_Laciel

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I was going through the Ragnorak arc again, and I found a few examples of powers and strengths.

First off,

Power additions to Ultio R.

I made a thread on this before, but despite everyone seeming to agree, it was basically abandoned and the changes never happened. So his extra powers are:

Regenerationn (Low-Mid). Ultio is the original, most powerful Greed, and the other greeds, Jae Kal Taek and Bishop Byron both have feats of this level of regen. It wouldn't make sense for him not to have it.

Illusion Creation (uses an illusion to hide from the King (for a time) and several others)

Seal Breaking / Undoing Power Nullification (refuted) (Breaks the God's seal on every Human , in every universe ). Edit, Ultio required a degree of prep for this that would be difficult to re-enact, so he does not have this power

Soul Manipulation - can absorb and control Charyeok spirits. Jae Kal-Taek could do this with his inferior Greed, and Ultio is seen to do it with the spirits of the dead gods he has absorbed )

Can use people's spirits without needing to absorb them - he just needs to have touched them, and they fall unconscious when he uses their powers (likely because they've just had their soul removed). A weakness of this ability is that when he hasn't absorbed them completely , the spirits can resist his control and break free, so their owners wake up .

Has the abilities of all the gods by summoning their spirits. Ultio can freely resummon these spirits it seems, as Jin destroys several of them , but they reappear moments later . However, if he summons them all too quickly, he isn't as good with his control over them.

Has the King's Natural Force Manipulation , though cannot control it as well without the King's Eye

And those are the additions to Ultio's power set.

Next


AP increase for Jin and 666:Sata

Jin is currently at least Small Star Level (low 4-C) in the Ragnorak/Heavenly Realm arc. From his feats, it seems he should actually be Large Star Level in base

"At least" because he scales to Hui Mo Ri's low 4-C feat of pushing back Jupiter (which was done while the clone was exhausted, dying, and missing all his limbs, so its very much likely that the Hui Mori is much stronger than that). Additionally, the clone himself states "how could there be that much of a power difference between me and my main body" , due to Jin being able to withstand the force of using the original Ruyi Jingu without any problems for weeks on end (or however long it's been since Jin entered the Skyscrapers) when Hui was only able to use the RJ for a few swings before his body gave out. Its clear there is a massive power difference between Jin and Hui.

Next, Phase 1 666:Satan is able to fight Jin on equal terms, so we know he is also at this "vastly stronger than Hui who while exhausted and dying did the Low 4-C feat" level of power. Hui's feat was calculated at 19 tenatons.

Next, Satan activates Jin Bong Limit Removal X52.

19 tenatons x 52 = 988 tenatons = Large Star Level

And Jin is still capable of fighting evenly with him.


So Jin's Post-Skyscraper God Form should be listed as at least large star level without NBC acupunctue.

Now comes his X250,000. Jin is listed as baseline 4-B with Limit Removal because he can multiply his power X250,000. From the feat I saw though, it seems he's a bit more than baseline.

Phase 2 Satan (while right next to the sun and absorbing its heat and light) clones himself an estimated 209,607,450,000,000,000 times. Jin's clones are equal in power to him and Satan's cloning power is directly taken, and improved, from Jin's and we can reasonably assume it is the same. So that is 209,607,450,000,000,000 "at least Small Star Level" (using the current rating) opponents that Jin is facing.

Jin procedes to remove his X250,000 limiter, and then kills every single one of those clones with a single kick.

Now I don't know if my maths is wonky, or I just don't understand the massive difference between "at least low 4-C" and 4-B, but it seems to me that one-shotting 209,607,450,000,000,000 "at least small star level" opponents simultaneously with the same attack would put one well into 4-B.

Jin Mo Ri Power Additio

Jin can contract with the spirit of his clone, Hui Mo Ri (happens at the end of the chapter, when he extinguishes the sun) gaining Hui's full power (at least Small Star Level) on top of his own. This gave him enough power to kill Satan, who had previously been able to tank the "Complete Gift Package" X250K from Jin and could regenerate from being reduced to a limbless head and upper torso

Edit: Oh and one more power for Jin, he can turn off his sense of pain with acupuncture. This applies throughout all his tiers
 
I agree with the upgrades. It only makes sense that Jin is far stronger than Hui who was literally fading away when he was pushing Jupiter back.
 
You probably know this already, but I agree with all the R stuff.

Hui Mo-Ri's feat was about 1/8 of star level, though even given the context I'm not sure if we can assume the gap is covered. But given what we've done with certain OPM and One Piece characters are treated, we may be able to. Scaling would be something like Monkey King power mode Jin Mo-Ri>power mode phase 2 Satan>Monkey King Jin Mo-Ri>52x phase 2 Satan>phase 2 Satan>>>phase 1 Satan>>>other gods>clones near the original>>>Hui Mo-Ri with inter-universal distance from the original>>>Hui Mo-Ri exhausted, injured, disappearing, with inter universal distance from the original, using a weapon he can barely control. We'll have to check with an admin about that though.

Actually, base monkey King mode Mo-Ri is able to take blows from 52x phase 2 Satan, so shouldn't that already make him Large Star level, even if the extensive scaling isn't enough for the case?

Clones are weaker the further away they get and the more Jin summons (when he was fighting the other gods he reduced the number to 1/3 to let the remaining ones overpower them), though I guess even then none of them should be weaker than Hui Mo-Ri. But since it's not a standard multiplier I think saying he's 209 quadrillion times stronger would be calc stacking.
 
I agree that Base Monkey King Jin tanking hits from and damaging X52 Phase 2 Satan should put him into Star Level (not Large Star Level, that's too high for just X52), and that's better evidence for it than my extensive scaling as it gives us a concrete value of the increase.

Jin's clones get weaker the further they are away from him, not the more he summons I believe, but Hui was able to use almost all of Jin's power when Jin was in the heavenly realm, literally a different universe. Satan's quadrillion clones are in the same universe as Satan, and none of them are far enough away to get that weak (During the destruction of the sage realm, Hui flew around the planet away from Jin, with no seen loss in power). Additionally, seeing as Satan's clone came from another clone, that came from another clone, that came from another clone, and so on back to Satan himself, none of them would ever be very far away from their original cloner, making the power difference even less.

Edit: There is one statement Jin makes, "I've cut the number of clones down to 1/3" with the implcation that he is now stronger, that possibly evidences he gets weaker with every clone he makes. Even so, as I mentioned above, Satan did not make all 200 quadrillion, 9650 trillion, 450 billion clones of himself. Most of those clones came from the clones cloning the clones cloning the clones cloning the clones. Continuing with this logic, if each created clone only actually made 100 or so more clones, then their overal power would be barely reduced at all. Additionally, they are all absorbing light and heat from the sun, so I would say their power is still sitting around "at least small star level" (using the current ranking) to "at least large star level" (using the proposed rating)
 
Large Star level is only 2.33x Star level, while Hui's feat is about 1/8 star level, so it's more than 1/20 of large Star level, and 52x that would put him into large Star.
 
Hui's feat is 19.something tenatons, which puts him at a bit over 12% of small star level. Satan is higher than that, so with X52 he would hit 988 tenatons which is...

oh yeah. That would put Satan and therefore Jin at large star level.

I'll add that to the original post
 
Its a pain to work out the cross character comparison because of how many power changes they both go through througout the fight (in order: 666 Phase 2, 666 El Diablo Armour, Jin Power Suit Mode, 666 LimitRemovalX52, 666 absorbing sun power, Jin x250,000, 666 Phase 3), but this is what I've managed to work out.

Just before I do, in case anyone doesn't know, here is how I divide the levels of each Tier

Baseline (as in they are barely into the tier)

Low-end (above baseline, but still low)

Mid-end (around halfway into the tier)

High-end (almost into the next tier)


Jin's post skyscraper God Mode (henceforth "Supreme God") form is at least (low-mid end) Large Star Level in base, because:

1) Phase 2 Satan > Phase 1 Satan > Dying Hui Mori, meaning he can output at least (like, absolute minimum) 19 tenatons of force (Low end of Small Star Level)

2) Phase 2 Satan multiplied his power by X52, meaning he can do at least 988 tenatons - large star level (low-mid large star level)

3) Jin is still capable of fighting evenly with Satan, even without using x52 himself. Therefore, Suprme God Jin is at least (low-mid) Large Star Level

The "at least" is always going to be there until we find some way to find a set value on Jin and Satan's power, because right now they are both scaling from someone far weaker than them both - Exhausted Dying Hui Mori

Next:

So with Na Bong Chim Limit Removal x250,000, Supreme God Jin can output at least:

250,000 x 988 tenatons = 247,000,000 tenatons of force = 247,000,000 x 10^30 tonnes of force

= 2.47 x 10^38 tonnes of force (low-mid solar system level)
 
Joseph619 said:
This seems reasonable. So Satan ad Jin are large star evel with 52x, yes?
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Satan Phase 2 is at least Large Star Level with 52X

Jin is at least Large Star Level normally in his Heavenly Realm Arc tier, and low-mid Solar System Level with X250,000 Limit Removal
 
Just realized but, shouldn't the x250,000 stats be a part of phase 2's sextion in the profile as well, cause right now they're only listed on phase 3? We should probably also add x52's stats to avoid confusion right?

Rereading the fight, and didn't Jin stop Satan from using x250k? In which case wouldn't base phase 3's durability and AP when drawing on the Sun be SS level? Of course x250k phase 2 and 3 would be that Level as well.
 
The thing about Satan is... here is the weird part of the scaling. Satan, in Phase 1, was able to fight and match Jin. Jin is able to fight Satan throughout all of his transformations and the x52 multiplier. So Jin is Large Star Level in Supreme God Mode. But then if Satan was fighting and matching Supreme God Jin, shouldn't he be large star level from the start, even without x52?

Jin did stop Satan from ever using x250,000, yes. Phase 3 would have SS level durability as he was able to survive the Complete Gift Package attack from Ji (happens at about 2/3 through the chapter), but he doesn't have a feat of matching 250K Jin, as even his suns corona lazer was completely tanked by Jin (It's a few pages below the Gift Package in the link). Technically I suppose he could reach SS level, as he was going to do Limit removal 25K, but Jin stopped him so we've never seen the feat.

Phase 2 Satan's durability would not probably not change, as he had most of his body destroyed by JIn's attacks and only survived because of his regen.
 
Jin didn't seem to be fighting seriously against phase 1 Satan, and phase 2 Satan barely damaged him without 52x, but he still damaged him a bit so I'm not sure.

I guess Jin did no sell that huh, and at that point he was even already starting to face backlash wasn't he, so I guess the AP is a no. But for the durability, Satan only survived through regen in phase 2, not phase 3. And we already list Satan phase 3 as Solar system level thanks to x250k, but even phase 2 should be capable of it.
 
Jin was actually really angry when he fought against Satan, so I'm not sure about "not serious". The scaling is kind of a mess here, so I think its just better to leave it at Large Star Level for both of them.

Phase 2 Satan was almost completely destroyed by x250k Jin and only survived because of regen, so his durability stays at "at least Large Star Level"

Phase 3 Satan would have SS durability, but Idk what to rate his AP as seeing as at that point his X52 had only worn off, yet we can say for almost certain that its higher than simply "large star level"

Jin can also add Hui Mo Ri's (full, not exhausted, limbless and dying) strength to his own by contracting with his clone's spirit, giving him enough power to kill Satan who had previously been able to tank the X250K Gift Package and could regen from just his head and shoulders
 
Another note is that thanks to his regen and body control. Satan seems completely unnaffected by the rebound effect of the X52 boost. So while he would need to keep reapplying it, his effectively has no time limit. Which is why Jin needed to stop him from using X250,000
 
I suppose that this mostly seems reasonable, but would prefer to see more staff input.

If there are any staff members that you think are knowledgeable about God of High School, you can message them about this thread.
 
Well, I am a bit uncertain about our standards regarding power multipliers.
 
First, I faithfully believe that Satan himself on base is already above Small Star. He is absurdly above the other beings of the first kingdom, only with the act of raising his hand he already left Belzeebub with fear, which if I am not mistaken was the former leader of the first kingdom. Honestly, I do not see exaggeration in putting him as star, he is above all who are scaled by the feat of Han Dae-Wi and Hui Mo-Ri (with the exception of Jin Mo-Ri, and possibly Young Okhwang, that in my vision is far superior, both to Satan and to Jin Mo-Ri).

And Mo-Ri still fought against Satan's 2nd Phase, the difference between the base and the 2nd phase is considerably large, since Odin in his 2nd phase beat Jin Tae Jin only with the act of transforming into the 2nd phase. Jin Tae-Jin would probably have hitkin Odin with his last kick if Odin had not defended. That is, the difference between base and 2nd stage is a difference in which you can beat someone comparable to you only with the act of transforming. Shortly thereafter, he still increased his powers by 52x, and Mo-Ri still dealt with him. And it's worth remembering that Mo-Ri was still a bit afraid to fight on the Earth, it's almost like he's fighting Moral On.

This definitely scales Mo-RI. And right after that they go to the Sun, where Satan is stronger and he claims to have 100% strength in each punch, and yet does not do any significant damage on Mo-Ri, for me it's obvious that it scales him.

Anyway, Satan is far superior to those who enter the class of Small Star in the work, very superior even. It does not make much sense to me to receive the same classification as them.

In my view, he with 2nd stage and increasing his powers in 52x is definitely Large Star, this scale Mo-Ri too. Dare to say that Satan could be Large Star already in the second phase, without needing to increase his powers in 52x, but anyway.


Sorry for bad English, not my default language.
 
Actually now that you've said it, Jin was not using his full strength against Phase 1 and Phase 2 (until they were at the sun) because he didn't want to risk destroying the planet. So having Phase 1 do reverse scaling back to Large Star from Jin is probably not valid. So maybe Phase 1 (at least Small Star), Phase 2 (At least Small Star, Large Star with X52), Supreme God Jin (Large Star Level via scaling to Phase 2 Satan, SS with X250K), Phase 3 same as now but with dura upgraded to SS even in base due to tanking x250K Jin's Gift package
 
I agree with most of the abilities of Ulitos R's, however if we are to add them it's best we make sure to specify on what they could do and the limitations, (i.e. cannot fully control kings fundamental forces, etc etc)

Also about breaking the God seals or what you call resisting power nullification, that whole scene required a lot of prep and external parts for him to break the Gods seal in the first place (needed the energy of all the green crystals(lol forgot the names of them.) and likely could not repurchase it again without certain conditions happening so I'm not to sure we should add this.
 
A question on that:

Did the green crystals need to be in their positions on the planet to gather all its energy, or did they need to be in that position to enact the seal breaking ritual?

Because if they were there to gather that power, Ultio with that level of power would still be capable of the ability.

If they were there for the actual ritual of breaking the seal, then fair enough, no anti-power null for Ultio.
 
Monarch Laciel said:
A question on that:

Did the green crystals need to be in their positions on the planet to gather all its energy, or did they need to be in that position to enact the seal breaking ritual?

Because if they were there to gather that power, Ultio with that level of power would still be capable of the ability.

If they were there for the actual ritual of breaking the seal, then fair enough, no anti-power null for Ultio.
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Yes they were all actually set in positions in order to break the seal on humans and the world.
 
Going through this slowly:

Powers
Regenerationn: Seems pretty straightforward, so I agree with this.

Illusion Creation: Also clear as day, approved.

Power Nullification Negation: Already refuted for reasons above.

Soul Manipulation: This one is a bit more iffy. Charyeok Spirits are not always the actual spirit, but may simply be lending one's power. That's why Direct Contracts are so much more powerful than normal ones. You would have to say that it's limited to those who have already been killed and be specific about it.

Spirit Absorption: Also iffy. He only did it to the Gods of the Heavenly Realm and he wasn't able to use it against Jin, so you would have to specify that it doesn't work on those as strong as him.

Abilities of All the Gods: Speculative at best. While he has a small part of The King's control over the Fundamental Forces, I don't recall him using the abilities of any of the other gods, simply having the spirits attack with their martial arts and weapons. Don't think I should let this one go through.

Mo-Ri's Powers: Looks alright.

AP Revisions
For the most part, the logic seems sound to me. I don't think we should use the clone wiping feat as the justification though, since it's entirely possible to kill thousands of weaker targets with a single attack if they're not remotely close in power. Still, 10 KiloFoe Mo-Ri.
 
By "has the abilities of all the gods", I mean Ultio can use them by summoning the spirits and having the spirits use the abiliity. Michael was able to use his Judgement Sword when Ultio controlled him, and Jae Kal-Taek was able to use the abilities of Jack the RIpper and Mage after he ate them, and considering that Ultio's is the original Greed it wouldn't make sense for him not to have those abilities.

I personally believe that Charyeok spirits are literal spirits, it has always seemed that way to me. what with their intangibility and often coming from dead people like Hui Mori, Dae-Wi's teacher (forgot his name) and Mi ra's ancient general. And when Jin contracts with Hui Mo Ri (link in the original post), he hears Hui's spirit asking him to "borrow my power", so the evidence is there. It's fine saying its limited to those who have already died though, as long as "died" also includes being eaten by the Greed.

During Jin and Ultio's fight though, I got the impression that Ultio wasn't exactly going all out against Jin. It seemed to me that Ultio wanted to prove to Jin that he had done the right thing, but could only think to do it through a fight. Simply ripping out Jin's soul wouldn't have proven anything. Or we can call it PIS. Point is, I don't think he ever actually tried it on Jin, so we can't say if it would or would not work on someone stronger than him. All we know is that Ultio's spirit absorption works on Odin and Satan, so it can affect at least up to low 4-C (high 4-C if the AP revision goes through).
 
I think that Reppuzan makes sense.
 
@Monarch

Maybe, but the difference is the fact that Ultio didn't eat the gods themselves, he just took whatever was left over of them after Mo-Ri dealt with them. Yes, Michael pulled out his sword, but otherwise they didn't do anything meaningful enough to make this assumption.

Yes, Charyeok spirits are sometimes the actual spirit, but this isn't always the case. For example, Q's Joker didn't manifest until he went fully serious or directly called upon it for an attack. Hatae doesn't always appear for Dae-Wi either, nor does certain Charyeok like Jang-Mi's Bastard Sword really manifest as spirits.
 
I still think that Ultio having the powers makes sense. He ate the gods (or what was left of them), and then he was able to manifest them in spiritual forms. The other times that a greed user has done both of those things, the spirits could still use their powers. I don't believe the slight difference in process of Ultio eating them after they were killed is enough to say that the spirits don't have their powers, seeing as that is never stated or shown elsewhere, while the other showings of Greed using spirits of the people it's eaten show that they do have their powers..

While it's true the spirits don't always manifest themselves fully, the Greed does have showings of eating them a few times the spirits did fully manifest.
 
@Monarch

I understand your logic, but if he hasn't used them, then we have no confirmation that he can or would use them under normal circumstances.
 
Alright, fair enough.

So the current agreed on changes are:

Ultio gets Regenerationn (Low-Mid), Illusion Creation, Summoning (of other gods' spirits, but they cannot use their powers) and Fundamental Force manipulation?

Jin's Heavenly Realm Tier can be upgraded to High 4-C, as can Phase 2 satan with X52 Limit Removal

Jin gets stat boosting by contracting with Hui and pain nullification.


Changes to still be looked at

Ultio's Soul Removal with a side of sleep inducement (or something along those lines, the thing he did to Odin and Satan) to achieve above summoning effect, with a seen limit of Low 4-C (current rating) or high 4-C (with the upgrades).

666:Satan phase 3 gets SS level durability even in base, via tanking x250K jin's attacks.

(Should Satan Phase 3 have limit removal x250K? He was going to use it, and as it is an obvious multiplier we can still safely say he is SS level with it, but Jin stopped him from ever actually using it)

I'll just add this now, but 666:Satan has two extra "lives" - one for each horn on his head. Can we say this is some form of resurrection? It let him come back after Jin did the contracted attack with Hui Mori.
 
Limited Fundamental Force Manipulation (which would fall under Physics Manipulation) is fine.

Okay.

I suppose so, but it should be mentioned that he was still getting his butt kicked.

He was going to do it, so I suppose we could, it's just that only a moron would let him get it off.

The extra lives thing should also be okay.
 
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