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Guts vs. Son Goku

Why the influx of Berserk threads from you?

OT: Guts should win because of his higher range in CQC and Goku isn't the type to stand afar to shoot ki blasts. Guts also has far more experience and skill.
 
Err, didn't I open only Griffith vs Nightmare? I don't think that would count as an influx.

But I've counted your vote.
 
Guts with berserker armor is not only more skilled but relentless and unstoppable(not to mention "berserk") to boot. Guts will impale and/or light himself on fire just to get a better swing. He will literally fight until every drop of blood in his body is gone.


Guts no contest.
 
Guts can attack the soul with his attacks. He has an absurd level of stamina, and better reactions. Guts takes this no problem.
 
I'm starting to think this is a stomp.

•Guts wins with the slightest scratch (attacks the soul).

•Far more skill and experience (war veteran).

•Far better range in CQC.

Someone might need to close this. The only way Goku can possibly win is with a surprise ki blast. But even then, Guts fought against 100 men singlehandedly, I highly doubt Goku is sneak attacking him.
 
In CQC: Guts fought multiple people at once and still stomped. He has far more mobility and as I said above, will win with one hit via soul manipulation.

Far range: The Dragonslayer can block some ki blasts but Goku does have the advantage there.
 
If it's a stomp, should I give Goku knowledge on what Guts can do? I mean him being able to attack the soul.
 
Guts does NOT kill with one scratch. What kind of logic is this? Just because it attacks the soul, it doesn't mean it kills with a single scratch. Show me proof that it does. Until then, it does not, it's just Durability ignoring.
 
@Black Thats not how the Dragonslayer works. It doesnt kill with a scratch, its not a one-hit kill if it hits you unless it's actually a lethal attack, otherwise its just damage.

And having more experience and skill =/= a stomp
 
ScarletFirefly said:
Guts does NOT kill with one scratch. What kind of logic is this? Just because it attacks the soul, it doesn't mean it kills with a single scratch. Show me proof that it does. Until then, it does not, it's just Durability ignoring.
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Umm... And since when was soul manipulation not considered OHK?
 
When you cut through their neck, they die.
No shit Sherlock. And that scan doesn't prove anything, at most it proves that when the sword kills someone, they're gone for good since it also kills the soul.

And since when was soul manipulation not considered OHK?
You couldn't be more wrong on this one. Soul Manipulation comes in many many forms and not all are OneHitKills. Bison or Rose for example both use Soul Manipulation and neither of them can OHK someone.
 
He can also attack noncorporeal/intangible entities with this soul manipulation. So I highly doubt it only activates after death. Unless you have proof?

You couldn't be more wrong on this one. Soul Manipulation comes in many many forms and not all are OneHitKills. Bison or Rose for example both use Soul Manipulation and neither of them can OHK someone.

My fault, I should have been more specific. Since when does someone who actually attacks the soul not considered OHK? Don't bring soul capturing examples next time.
 
XBlackExcellenceX said:
He can also attack noncorporeal/intangible entities with this soul manipulation. So I highly doubt it only activates after death. Unless you have proof?
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Yes, I know that. But all that proves is that the Dragonslayer can reach the soul "dimension". It doesn't prove in any way that it can destroy a person's soul should the blade cut through said person's flesh.

XBlackExcellenceX said:
My fault, I should have been more specific. Since when does someone who actually attacks the soul not considered OHK? Don't bring soul capturing examples next time.
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This depends heavily of the nature of said soul attack and also it's potency. For example, the Raging Demon has failed to kill despite it being shown to destroy a person's soul. Heck even F/Z servants or Bleach characters have "soul attacks" that damage the soul and neither of them can kill with a scratch.
 
ScarletFirefly said:
Yes, I know that. But all that proves is that the Dragonslayer can reach the soul "dimension". It doesn't prove in any way that it can destroy a person's soul should the blade cut through said person's flesh.
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Firstly, its the astral world/plane, not the "soul dimension". Secondly, the burden of proof is on you. I provided a scan of Guts stating that the Dragonslayer can affect the soul. You need evidence that it doesn't OHK like other soul attacking/destroying abilities in fiction. Lastly, soul manipulation is one of the few things that can affect the non-corporeal.

This depends heavily of the nature of said soul attack and also it's potency. For example, the Raging Demon has failed to kill despite it being shown to destroy a person's soul. Heck even F/Z servants or Bleach characters have "soul attacks" that damage the soul and neither of them can kill with a scratch.

How is this relevant to Guts' soul manipulation?
 
@Black The way you describe Guts' soul damaging attacks is in no way how the damage it inflicts actually works. It doesnt kill with a single scratch.
 
No my friend, the burden of proof is on you. You claimed that Guts can kill with one scratch due to soul attacks. I never denied it affects the soul, but your course of logic is erraneous.

It is relevant because in every one of those examples there are attacks that affect the soul, especially the Raging Demon. And OHK is something they cannot do, except the Raging Demon when under specific conditions.
 
Err, I don't want this thread to be closed in the event that this gets too heated, so can someone tell me if it's a stomp match or not?
 
@Burning No, not really.

In fact, Goku may win this one. Despite Guts using Dragonslayer as a shield, he still remains a glass cannon, so an attack to his body and he's mush. And Goku can create multiple afterimages to distract Guts and hit him.

Does Goku have his staff here?
 
Also an advice Burning. When you count the votes, put the names of the people that have voted. That way you don't accidentally count the same one twice and it's easier to keep track.
 
ScarletFirefly said:
No my friend, the burden of proof is on you. You claimed that Guts can kill with one scratch due to soul attacks. I never denied it affects the soul, but your course of logic is erraneous.
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Look at your first comment... Also that's not how this fallacy works.

It is relevant because in every one of those examples there are attacks that affect the soul, especially the Raging Demon. And OHK is something they cannot do, except the Raging Demon when under specific conditions.

Again, this comparison is flawed and not relevant to Guts at all. Going by your logic, every character in fiction that attacks the soul can't OHK.
 
ScarletFirefly said:
Also an advice Burning. When you count the votes, put the names of the people that have voted. That way you don't accidentally count the same one twice and it's easier to keep track.
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Eh, but that's too much work. I've tried it before.
 
@XBlackExcellenceX

You can go around this however you want. Unless you show proof that Dragonslayer actually killed a guy with a non-lethal wound, then it's not happenning. Everything you've argued at this point has proven that Dragonslayer affects the soul, nothing more, nothing less.

@Burning

You're lazy a lot, you know that? Shameful display.
 
@Black No, the burden of proof is on you to show where in the series Guts has killed someone with just a scratch from Dragonslayer
 
Dragonslayer can't OHKO. What it ''does'' is negating durability and Regenerationn unless you have some kind of soul durability or Regenerationn.
 
>Guts wins with the slightest scratch (attacks the soul).

>Dragonslayer can't OHKO.

At least make up your mind.

Edit: People with similar avatars -_- Move along people.
 
@Scarlet

You're talking with the other guy, right? :p

Anywho, giving my opinion the fight... I think it is kinda unfair. Not a stomp, but one-sided for sure. Goku got the range advantage with ki blasts, but being a martial artist, he'd most likely try to get into close range to beat Guts. And Guts, with the Dragonslayer, repeating crossbow, arm-cannon, massively higher experience and skill and the capacity to basically shrug off lethal wounds would make him take this easily. He'd break a bone or two, but nothing too troublesome for him.
 
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