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ZeedMillenniummon vs Anti-Monitor
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ZeedMilleniumon should take it with a rather high difficulty, but he will still prevail. ZeedMilleniumon has conceptual manipulation which in itself poses a rather big problem for Anti-Monitor, his Regenerationn allows him to still come back even if his body were to be destroyed, he overall can manipulate the probability of these circumstances, etc. The guy even has resistance to reality warping which is one of Anti-Monitor's best hax. As much as Anti-Monitor again might pose a challenge, Zeed's overall hax just helps him win in this scenario.
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Once again. Provide reasoning or your vote is invalid and will not be counted.
Considering the fact that even sealed Zeed threatened the Multiverse by existing, I feel that he has the edge in raw AP. Along with the fact that there's nothing the Anti-Monitor has that Zeed has not dealt with before, then this is pretty decisively in Zeed's favor.
Once again. Provide reasoning or your vote is invalid and will not be counted.
Considering the fact that even sealed Zeed threatened the Multiverse by existing, I feel that he has the edge in raw AP. Along with the fact that there's nothing the Anti-Monitor has that Zeed has not dealt with before, then this is pretty decisively in Zeed's favor.
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Actually Zeed doesnt have Conceptual Manipulation, he just has resistance to it.
Still, im gonna go with Zeed for the other reasons as they seem pretty solid enough.
Still, im gonna go with Zeed for the other reasons as they seem pretty solid enough.
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Inconclusive in my opinion. Zeed doesn't seem to have a resistance to anti-matter manipulation. Which is bad news for him because he's going against the entity that embodies it. But Zeed mid-godly regen is extremely annoying.
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Zeed for reasons above.
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Anti-Monitor has fought literal abstracts, which are Non-Corporeal by default.Reppuzan said:
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Like I said, Zeed eats nuclear fission attacks with ease. Antimatter attacks aren't doing anything, even on a conceptual level.
In addition, Zeed's raw power vastly outstrips the Anti-Monitor for being the same threat level simply by existing, much less fighting.
Like I said, Zeed eats nuclear fission attacks with ease. Antimatter attacks aren't doing anything, even on a conceptual level.
In addition, Zeed's raw power vastly outstrips the Anti-Monitor for being the same threat level simply by existing, much less fighting.
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Ok... I wasn't quoting this.Reppuzan said:
In addition, Zeed's raw power vastly outstrips the Anti-Monitor for being the same threat level simply by existing, much less fighting.
Having a higher AP is irrelevant if you're opponent can't be physically touched.
But just to let you know, I was voting inconclusive.
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Being non corporeal will not help AM here.
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Black you realize non-corporeal just means you are like a soul right? Zeed eats those via absorbtion along with timelines and realities by simply existing. Now stop wanking non-corporeality because its literally something that a normal ghost can do. Not to mention even simple mages can manage to kill non-corporeal beings.
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Not true, being non-corporeal means you aren't physical. While souls are the essence of living organisms, some can be non-corporeal or physical (ex. Soul Eater).GallantKnight X said:
Zeed eats those via absorbtion along with timelines and realities by simply existing. Now stop wanking non-corporeality because its literally something that a normal ghost can do.
Again, Anti-Monitor can also devour timelines and realities but couldn't beat his non-corporeal brother or The Spectre. Learn the definition of "wanking" before accusing someone of doing it.
Not to mention even simple mages can manage to kill non-corporeal beings.
I don't understand how that's relevant to the discussion at hand.
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"Again, Anti-Monitor can also devour timelines and realities but couldn't beat his non-corporeal brother or the The Spectre. Learn the definition of "wanking" before accusing someone of doing it."
Did he do so to them? Not beating them doesn't mean anything if they are above him or such. Especially since you give us no context or anything on screen that he tried to do so. Was the fight off screen? If so we could assume he used those powers, if not then he was hit with a nice dose of PIS.
Did he do so to them? Not beating them doesn't mean anything if they are above him or such. Especially since you give us no context or anything on screen that he tried to do so. Was the fight off screen? If so we could assume he used those powers, if not then he was hit with a nice dose of PIS.
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Who are these non-coporeal digimon that Zeed defeated? Can I get a scan of him bypassing their non-coporeality?Zhex10 said:
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I think Alphamon can hit non-corporeal opponents. Wouldn't that mean Zeed can too?
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Can we scale hax like that? I thought unless it was specific cases hax can't be scaled to someone just because they're superior to them.
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Okay, I didn't know that.
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@Black Okay you are seriously pushing this Non-Coporeal argument too far while completely ignoring its weaknesses.
Soul Manipulation bypasses it. AM has a soul, nothing states he does not. Zeed's absorbs souls.
Reality Warping Bypasses it. Zeed it a reality warper who can keep pace with God. He would be able to bypass it. Especially since AM does NOT have a resistance to it.
Time Manipulation Bypasses it. Oh look Zeed has that as well.
I do not see how being Non-Coporeal helps AM here.
Soul Manipulation bypasses it. AM has a soul, nothing states he does not. Zeed's absorbs souls.
Reality Warping Bypasses it. Zeed it a reality warper who can keep pace with God. He would be able to bypass it. Especially since AM does NOT have a resistance to it.
Time Manipulation Bypasses it. Oh look Zeed has that as well.
I do not see how being Non-Coporeal helps AM here.
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fought people with those abilities /=/ abilities not being effective
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Don't put words in my mouth. I never said that Anti was immune to those attacks.GallantKnight X said:
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"Again, Anti-Moniter has fought people with those powers to a standstill. And he has his abstract existence for the clutch."
His abstract existence means nothing to Zeed. Y'know who are also abstracts? The Seven Great Demon Lords, yet none mess with Zeed. Only one who would likely fight him is Lucemon. It isn't a clutch. He's no different than Giratina, only 2-A. Also fighting those guys to a standstill =/= the same will happen to Zeed when he performs said feats simply by existing. He barely has to exert any power. I will flat out say Zeed is above them. That we can argue all day and I'm sure many others will agree. Heck simply fighting the being who created everything in the Digital world other than Good and Evil(That was Lucemon) would qualify.
"Why are you guys trying to argue anyway? I stated above that the match is inconclusive."
So just because you vote inconclusive means we can't argue your points? We clearly disagree and honestly I do not see your argument holding any water. Being non-corporeal will not help. Being an abstract will not help. Zeed wins this fight is what I'm arguing. Whether you vote inconclusive or for AM does not matter. I am addressing your argument. Simple as that.
His abstract existence means nothing to Zeed. Y'know who are also abstracts? The Seven Great Demon Lords, yet none mess with Zeed. Only one who would likely fight him is Lucemon. It isn't a clutch. He's no different than Giratina, only 2-A. Also fighting those guys to a standstill =/= the same will happen to Zeed when he performs said feats simply by existing. He barely has to exert any power. I will flat out say Zeed is above them. That we can argue all day and I'm sure many others will agree. Heck simply fighting the being who created everything in the Digital world other than Good and Evil(That was Lucemon) would qualify.
"Why are you guys trying to argue anyway? I stated above that the match is inconclusive."
So just because you vote inconclusive means we can't argue your points? We clearly disagree and honestly I do not see your argument holding any water. Being non-corporeal will not help. Being an abstract will not help. Zeed wins this fight is what I'm arguing. Whether you vote inconclusive or for AM does not matter. I am addressing your argument. Simple as that.
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I could make the "has fought beings with those abilities before" argument with Zeed. Is anti-monitor's profile outdated? Because i don't see non-corporeality in his ability tab anyway. What dragon was saying is that being non-corporeal doesn't mean that zeed can't harm him because zeed has abilities that already bypass it in the first place.
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Zeed for reasons above.
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Did Zeed kill these Seven Great Demons? Why mention Giratina? I have no reason to believe Zeed can put down abstracts. Me mentioning Anti fighting those guys was proof to why reality warping and soul manipulation isn't putting him down anytime soon.Dragonmasterxyz said:
So just because you vote inconclusive means we can't argue your points? We clearly disagree and honestly I do not see your argument holding any water. Being non-corporeal will not help. Being an abstract will not help. Zeed wins this fight is what I'm arguing. Whether you vote inconclusive or for AM does not matter. I am addressing your argument. Simple as that.
Ok cool, I can respect voicing your opinion, I mean, look at my username. But you'll arguments are getting repetitive. Which is why I felt the need to mention my vote.
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@Black
F.Y.I., try not to quote large texts please. Use "@" instead.
F.Y.I., try not to quote large texts please. Use "@" instead.
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"You'll arguments are getting repetitive"
First, "your". Second, pot calling the kettle black much?
Anti-monitor is the abstract manifestation of anti-matter. That's like, really low level abstract existence, seeing as anti-matter is an actual physical something that can be destroyed quite easily by a being like Zeed. And once all that antimatter is gone, Antimonitor goes too, or can at least be killed for good.
Zeed literally eats time, space, souls and reality by EXISTING. Those things are about as incorporeal as you can get. Non-corporeality isn't hurting Zeed.
If Zeed hasn't killed the demon lords, the only reason for that is they are smart enough not to mess with him. The vast majority of them have reality warping and resistance to it, just like Antimonitor, and they are still not messing with zeed.
Giratina is also the embodiment of anti-matter. That is why Dragonmaster mentioned him.
First, "your". Second, pot calling the kettle black much?
Anti-monitor is the abstract manifestation of anti-matter. That's like, really low level abstract existence, seeing as anti-matter is an actual physical something that can be destroyed quite easily by a being like Zeed. And once all that antimatter is gone, Antimonitor goes too, or can at least be killed for good.
Zeed literally eats time, space, souls and reality by EXISTING. Those things are about as incorporeal as you can get. Non-corporeality isn't hurting Zeed.
If Zeed hasn't killed the demon lords, the only reason for that is they are smart enough not to mess with him. The vast majority of them have reality warping and resistance to it, just like Antimonitor, and they are still not messing with zeed.
Giratina is also the embodiment of anti-matter. That is why Dragonmaster mentioned him.
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There's levels to Abstract Existence now? Zeed destroying the concept of anti-matter is insane reaching on your part.Monarch Laciel said:
Zeed literally eats time, space, souls and reality by EXISTING. Those things are about as incorporeal as you can get. Non-corporeality isn't helping Zeed.
Again, Anti-Moniter has literally fought two people who can do the exact thing. So no, it's not deteriorating Anti-Moniter's non-coporeal existence.
If Zeed hasn't killed the demon lords, the only reason for that is they are smart enough not to mess with him. The vast majority of them have reality warping and resistance to it, just like Antimonitor, and they are still not messing with zeed.
Speculation
Giratina is also the embodiment of anti-matter. That is why Dragonmaster mentioned him.
Irrelevant
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"Did Zeed kill these Seven Great Demons? Why mention Giratina? I have no reason to believe Zeed can put down abstracts."
So by this logic Zeed can't put down Giratina, Palkia or Dialga...mkay. No he hasn't yet if they knew they could not be hurt by Zeed, they would quickly take action. Especially seeing as they don't want a complete destruction of the Digital World and are abstracts. Zeed's ambitions would not work for Lucemon especially. The sad part is you are literally the only one who pulls the abstract card to this extreme. And I am simply not buying it.
"Me mentioning Anti fighting those guys was proof to why reality warping and soul manipulation isn't putting him down anytime soon."
Except I can easily make a case for them not being nearly as effective as Zeed. And once again no resistance to either. So based on what I see it works.
"But you'll arguments are getting repetitive."
You are the LAST person to be saying that to someone when all you have for "defense" is Abstract Existence. So please don't start with reprtitive quotes.
So by this logic Zeed can't put down Giratina, Palkia or Dialga...mkay. No he hasn't yet if they knew they could not be hurt by Zeed, they would quickly take action. Especially seeing as they don't want a complete destruction of the Digital World and are abstracts. Zeed's ambitions would not work for Lucemon especially. The sad part is you are literally the only one who pulls the abstract card to this extreme. And I am simply not buying it.
"Me mentioning Anti fighting those guys was proof to why reality warping and soul manipulation isn't putting him down anytime soon."
Except I can easily make a case for them not being nearly as effective as Zeed. And once again no resistance to either. So based on what I see it works.
"But you'll arguments are getting repetitive."
You are the LAST person to be saying that to someone when all you have for "defense" is Abstract Existence. So please don't start with reprtitive quotes.
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No, you'll is clearly referring to everyone that's arguing with me right now.Monarch Laciel said:
