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ZeedMillenniummon vs Anti-Monitor

"There's levels to Abstract Existence now? Zeed destroying the concept of anti-matter is insane reaching on your part."

So I guess Zeed cannot kill Giratina now huh? Logic fails. What's reaching is you assume being an abstract is helping AM much at this level.

"Again, Anti-Moniter has literally fought two people who can do the exact thing. So no, it's not deteriorating Anti-Moniter's non-coporeal existence."

Means nothing. Especially when I doubt either can do much to Zeed as is.

"Giratina is also the embodiment of anti-matter. That is why Dragonmaster mentioned him."

"Irrelevant"

Except it is going by your faulty logic. By this logic Zeed cannot kill Giratina(another Anti-Matter Abstract) or Dialga, or Palkia. Simply put Giratina is indeed relevant to this. Whether you believe so or not is not of my concern.
 
Is this going to end up like that madoka thread with zeed where it gets closed because of endless derailing. I already made my argument and you guys have made your's as well. So far he is the only one who is voting Inconclusive anyway so why even bother with his beliefs -_-. @Black if you are not willing to change your mind about anything then debating is useless.
 
XBlackExcellenceX said:
Monarch Laciel said:
"You'll arguments are getting repetitive"
First, "your". Second, pot calling the kettle black much?
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No, you'll is clearly referring to everyone that's arguing with me right now.
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"You'll" - contraction of "you will". Not "you all". Not that that is correct either "You all arguments are getting repetitive"

How about

"all your arguments are getting repetitive"

or

"your arguments are all getting repetitive"
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
So by this logic Zeed can't put down Giratina, Palkia or Dialga...mkay. No he hasn't yet if they knew they could not be hurt by Zeed, they would quickly take action. Especially seeing as they don't want a complete destruction of the Digital World and are abstracts. Zeed's ambitions would not work for Lucemon especially. The sad part is you are literally the only one who pulls the abstract card to this extreme. And I am simply not buying it.
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Why isn't this a fallacy? Seriously, how does this prove your argument at all? I'm not giving characters feats they never accomplished just because they're stronger. There's nothing proving that Zeed can permanently put down abstracts.

Except I can easily make a case for them not being nearly as effective as Zeed. And once again no resistance to either. So based on what I see it works.

Not how hax works, unless he has better feats.

You are the LAST person to be saying that to someone when all you have for "defense" is Abstract Existence. So please don't start with reprtitive quotes.

I'm using this argument because it's logical.

Look, it's obvious y'all won't drop this. So I'll concede, I really don't have the time for drawn out arguments over trivial matters.
 
@Black

Whether your right or wrong you should really take it up to a CTR to continue this there as its derailing the vs thread.

Anyways, lets calm down everyone, we can discuss this both reasonably and respectfully.
 
Monarch Laciel said:
"You'll" - contraction of "you will". Not "you all". Not that that is correct either "You all arguments are getting repetitive"

How about

"all your arguments are getting repetitive"

or

"your arguments are all getting repetitive"
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My fault, your right, I was mistaking you'll with y'all.
 
"Not how hax works, unless he has better feats."

I take that fighting the God of all Creation who is High 2-A and having to only be sealed doesn't equate to higher feats. Especially since you have provided nothing that proves otherwise.

"I'm using this argument because it's logical.

Look, it's obvious you'll won't drop this. So I'll concede, I really don't have the time for drawn out arguments over trivial matters."

Except we've already countered this over and over. But since you obviously do not listen whatever. This is a waste of time.

"Seriously, how does this prove your argument at all? I'm not giving characters feats they never accomplished just because they're stronger. There's nothing proving that Zeed can permanently put down abstracts.:

Aren't you giving one saying "x will not work because y fought z and w"? Your logic is faulty and I've explained why countless times.
 
ProfessorKukui4Life said:
@Black
Whether your right or wrong you should really take it up to a CTR to continue this there as its derailing the vs thread.

Anyways, lets calm down everyone, we can discuss this both reasonably and respectfully.
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No need for a CRT sir. Everything I stated is on Anti-Moniter, The Monitor, or The Spectre's page. As I mentioned above numerous times, Abstract Existence gives you Non-Corporeality and type 8 immortality by default.
 
Non-Corporeality is irrelevant here. We've disproven that.

Type 8 immortality can be bypassed by Existence Erasure last I checked.

Also what states AM as an abstract? The files you mentioned show abilities that are nothing compared to what Zeed has done. All I see is that he's a God. A category means nothing. Where's the direct mention of him being a multiversal constant or abstract? Show me that.
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
"Not how hax works, unless he has better feats."I take that fighting the God of all Creation who is High 2-A and having to only be sealed doesn't equate to higher feats. Especially since you have provided nothing that proves otherwise.
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Zeed AP means little here when his opponent is non-coporeal entity that went against more "haxxed" characters.

"Nothing that proves" Here's a respect thread for Spectre and Anti-Moniter.

Except we've already countered this over and over. But since you obviously do not listen whatever. This is a waste of time.

I'm sorry but what exactly did y'all counter?

Aren't you giving one saying "x will not work because y fought z and w"? Your logic is faulty and I've explained why countless times.

To different arguments. But I already conceded so I'm not getting into it trap again.
 
Well you were saying stuff about how theres no proof Zeed can kill abstracts permanently so I thought if you still stand by that you should make a CTR thread about it and talk about it there instead of discussing it here in a vs thread.
 
Those respect threads didn't help anything. Destroying the multiverse is nothing to Zeed seeing as Mother Eater did so casually. And reconfiguring reality is soon explained as a multiversal restoration. Something Mother Eater did by simply crossing his arms. Both Zeed and God are far above that.

"I'm sorry but what exactly did y'all counter?"

Maybe if you read my points you'd know. I'm not wasting my time to repeat it once again.

"To different arguments. But I already conceded so I'm not getting into it trap again."

Your problem. Not mine.

"Abstract entities category?"

Means nothing unless something implied he is an abstract of something. It simply states that he is a God of Antimatter. Nothing more.

I am done here.
 
ProfessorKukui4Life said:
Well you were saying stuff about how theres no proof Zeed can kill abstracts permanently so I thought if you still stand by that you should make a CTR thread about it and talk about it there instead of discussing it here in a vs thread.
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Why would that need a CRT? Zeed hasn't killed an abstract before. Can you tell me why I should give characters feats they never did before?
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
Those respect threads didn't help anything. Destroying the multiverse is nothing to Zeed seeing as Mother Eater did so casually. And reconfiguring reality is soon explained as a multiversal restoration. Something Mother Eater did by simply crossing his arms. Both Zeed and God are far above that.
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Why do you continue to mention AP in a battle of hax? Everything you guys mentioned Zeed is capable of doing, the characters I mentioned above are just as capable. This is something I mentioned in my earlier comments.

Maybe if you read my points you'd know. I'm not wasting my time to repeat it once again.

I addressed this numerous times. But you guys kept running with Zeed's absorption. As if it's impressive at this level.

"Abstract entities category?"

Means nothing unless something implied he is an abstract of something. It simply states that he is a God of Antimatter. Nothing more.

Anti-Moniter's origins. His creation brung forth anti-mattter.
I am done here.

So am I.
 
"Why do you continue to mention AP in a battle of hax? Everything you guys mentioned Zeed is capable of doing, the characters I mentioned above are just as capable. This is something I mentioned in my earlier comments."

Never once mentioned Ap. The characters you mentioned are no more special than Mother Eater. Yggdrasil does the exact same things TM and AM does. Yet his RW pales in comparison to God's. Guess who else pales in comparison. Lucemon who also is a very powerful reality warper. God's surpasses his. Zeed was so powerful that everything had to have been match blow for blow. Hax for hax, to the point God had no choice but to seal his power. Also and before you ask, yes the power of reality warping does vary upon power and such. It has been shown many times.

"I addressed this numerous times. But you guys kept running with Zeed's absorption. As if it's impressive at this level."

Exept we've explained on countless threads to why it is. But of course you believe no one. This is to the point that it is honestly ridiculous.

"Anti-Moniter's origins. His creation brung forth anti-mattter."

Based on what I read it seems that he was born AFTER said universe was created and simply seized control over it. Correct me if I am wrong.
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
Based on what I read it seems that he was born AFTER said universe was created and simply seized control over it. Correct me if I am wrong.
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No it was simultaneously, they didn't notice Anti until later.
 
Yes and? Have you considered that he mearly was born inside said universe? It shows him being born after the universes creation.
 
It says his "Positive Matter self". Thing is that it could mean many things. It could mean the version of him that live is the regular universe, the version of him that utilizes Positive Matter or his Positive Matter Version. But of course we could also say they are abstracts which in reality means noting in the long run unless Type 8 immortality bypasses Void Manipulation.
 
Zeed doesn't have void manipulation according to his profile. Even if he did have existence erasure, it's not enough to put down an abstract. Unless Zeed conceptually erases the victim like GEoM or D.
 
His absorption counts as Void Manipulation. Especially according to the Royal Knight files since it obliterates Mind, Body and Soul.
 
Existence erasure is literally one of the only things apart from concept manip that can put down an abstract.

And nothing I've seen so far shows Antimonitor as the abstract manifestation of the concept of anti-matter. Just a powerful being composed of antimatter
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
His absorption counts as Void Manipulation. Especially according to the Royal Knight files since it obliterates Mind, Body and Soul.
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Oh ok, then that's standard stuff that Anti went against vs Spectre.
 
Soul inForce said:
Just wondering; isn't ENIAC (and Atanasoff―Berry Computer) a Non-Corporeal being? And supposedly a sort of an Abstract Existence ?
(His page looks a bit outdated, though)

He was "turned off" by the VR Digimon(s), Zeed's creations.

I may be wrong and in any case, sorry for the intrusion.
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Both Zeed's and ENIAC's page is outdated and yet to be updated by Dark after I brought it to his attention some stuff.The "ENIAC turn off" stuff Dark got from some incorrect summaries. He said he will update the Zeed and ENIAC pages after going through the feats one more time.

"Nonexistence" and "Existence" was mentioned as something Zeed would destroy. In most fictions, "nonexistence" usually is used to refer to the void/realm outside the multiverse. Even DBS (which is also Toei) used nonexistence to refer to the void world IIRC. So it can be interpreted as "void".
 
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