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Possible Saiyan Saga FTL feat?

AnimeFanboy2916

AnimeFanboy2916

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I was re-reading the DB manga and I noticed something about Piccolo destroying the moon. Although it wasn't specifically stated as to how long it took the blast to reach the moon, but it can be assumed that it took about 2 seconds as it all occurred within 3 panels one page. How do we know it took about 2 seconds? In the anime, it clearly shows that when Piccolo shoots the beam, it took about 2 seconds. If it did take 2 seconds, then the blast itself would've been about 64% the speed of light or relativistic+. This was very early in the Saga, so it could also apply to late Dragon Ball as well.

Since this is very early in the Saga when Piccolo was stated to have a power level of 408, we can assume characters like Raditz, Vegeta, Nappa, Goku, Gohan, and the other Z Fighters who are much stronger than that Piccolo have faster than light reaction speeds. For example, since base Goku post-training with King Kai had a power level of 8000, through basic proportions, Base Goku would be about 12.549 times faster than light.

Link to the anime clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YKZ8gNfVpk (the blast is shot at 0:08 and it reaches the moon at about 0:10)

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Um, a second? We assumed a minute for Fairy Tail's four and five for Bleach's two. We're not using a second.
 
The real cal howard said:
Um, a second? We assumed a minute for Fairy Tail's four and five for Bleach's two. We're not using a second.
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Ah. I see. But even then, it was a casual blast and nothing too special.
 
Of course it has given Piccolo some time to gather energy and fire the blast while Gohan is rampaging wildly as an Oozaru. What would that occur?
 
AnimeFanboy2916 said:
Jinx666 said:
Say Anime, you seem familiar
Are you on any of those Google + Debating communities...
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No, why?
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Some other person was extremely convinced Saiyan Saga was FTL cause one of the old guides described Nappa's ki blast as light
 
I just want to point out that this feat even took fewer panels than Irene's meteor feat and Mimihagi's feat.

A shorter timeframe other than one minute would be acceptable in this case.
 
Lina Shields said:
I just want to point out that this feat even took fewer panels than Irene's meteor feat and Mimihagi's feat.

A shorter timeframe other than one minute would be acceptable in this case.
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Could I make a blog about this?
 
I definatly agree that the numbers are right for the anime scene being 2 sec, and it is certainly shown to occur in an instant on 1 page, no sort of pauses. I would personally accept the anime tiemframe, it seems reasonable imo and fits with the manga showing.
 
I mean, it's not like Piccolo would just stand there doing nothing while Gohan was in the rampage. He has to take some actions to prevent that to happen, right?
 
SunWukong1986 said:
I mean, it's not like Piccolo would just stand there doing nothing while Gohan was in the rampage. He has to take some actions to prevent that to happen, right?
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I made a blog on this if you want to check it out.
 
I never brought this up before, but this is the best place to do it.

I love how we're capable of scaling characters to an attack speed that no one ever dodged, yet have never replicated that with any other character. Inb4 every Pokemon is SoL for being capable of dodging moves that aren't Flash or Prismatic Laser.

Also, I love how we're considering using the anime timeframe even though we don't do that for any other manga unless guaranteed to be equally cano
 
1) Well, why would Piccolo even use a "slower attack" against a enemy he is trying to kill? Also, Pokemon doesn't really count because in the game... You kind of wait for the other and fight by turns. They get outsped by moves like Mach/Bullet Punch, so I wouldn't bring that up.


2) One way or the other, 2 seconds would be an assumed timeframe anyways, Anime timing just helps out a bit.
 
1) Why would it be assumed that every attack is the same always? Isn't that what calc stacking is? For example, let's go back to when UT was relativistic+. Why wouldn't Undyne throw her spear at top speed at an enemy she's trying to kell, and we'll go back to hen UT was Large Island.

2) What was the proof of 2 seconds other than the anime. If using the manga, it would just be an incredibly lowballed timeframe to get the most inflated results. And the logic is "Piccolo wouldn't have just been waiting there all that time." While true, we can't prove that because it wasn't shown or implied. While I definitely agree that it takes place well under a minute, the idea of 2 seconds makes no sense imo.
 
@Cal

That's literally not what calc stacking is. Calc stacking would be if we tried to factor KE into this situation, which we aren't, all we're doing is applying the speed of one ki blast to a different scene. It can't be calc stacking if there's no second calc involved.
 
It's still something we've never replicated before with any other fiction. And I'm pretty sure that is still calc stacking. Applying one calc to something that is entirely different than what the calc in question is doing (scaling is a totally different application)
 
1) Ever kind of covered that.


2) Well, I mean, there just two panels, and should be considered that, since it an inmmobile drwing, that the minimun amount of panels required to show any kind of move
 
Could you please give an example of this? Because I'm almost positive we treat a characters' attacks as all being the same speed unless it's a special technique that's noted to be fast.

And no, it literally doesn't fit the definition or name of "calc stacking" if we're not trying to get a second calc out of this.
 
If we calculate the speed of one of Piccolo's attacks, and others are capable of dodging his attacks or outpacing people who do, then applying that speed for those people isn't calc stacking. It's powerscaling. And the exact same logic that got Mario upgraded.
 
The Everlasting said:
Could you please give an example of this? Because I'm almost positive we treat a characters' attacks as all being the same speed unless it's a special technique that's noted to be fast.

And no, it literally doesn't fit the definition or name of "calc stacking" if we're not trying to get a second calc out of this.
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I'll start off by using another DB example. We don't rate Zen'o as quintillions c because of an attack.

We don't rate Jirachi as SoL in all attacks because of Doom Desire.

We don't rate Necrozma as SoL because of Prismatic Laser.

We don't rate Anastasia Hoshi as SoL because of Jiwald.

etc.
 
Two seconds would still an assumption one way or the other, because it basically takes no time to arrive to the moon.


@Cal, with you last comments, you pretty much make all calcs with assumption useless
 
Ryukama said:
If we calculate the speed of one of Piccolo's attacks, and others are capable of dodging his attacks or outpacing people who do, then applying that speed for those people isn't calc stacking. It's powerscaling. And the exact same logic that got Mario upgraded.
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Mario got upgraded because Bowser's feat was one of combat speed. Not attack speed. Bowser shot Lubba's spaceship out of the sky while it was moving.
 
@Aiden. I'm not discrediting assumptions. I'm discrediting assumptions when there are assumptions that exist because of a calc.
 
@Cal Bowser shot down the ship with his meteor attack, which Mario is capable of dodging. That's why he was upgraded.

Even if that example isn't like this, what you're saying isn't calc stacking at all.

Character A has an attack calculated a 30 mps.

Character B can dodge said attack.

Character C can outpace Character B in combat.

Saying Character C has 30 mps combat speed isn't calc stacking. It's powerscaling someone to a calc.
 
Yes, Bowser shot down the ship with his meteors, but he still had to perceive it and know where to fire.

And problem is, it's like this.

Character A has an attack calculated at 7% SoL.

Character B can dodge an attack that's not said attack.

Character C can outpace Character B in combat.

Characters D-P have no comparable feats until character Q (aka Frieza)

Another example. Say Tien's Dodonpa was calced at 230c. Why would we scale that to Goku dodging his Kamehameha?
 
@Cal Okay fine. The Mario example isn't comparable if you insist. Doesn't at all change my point. Scaling people in this sort of way is not calc stacking. Just read the Speed and Reactions pages.

"Reaction speed is reacting to an attack that you don't know is going to happen, or at a very close range."

"If character A can blitz character B, A's movement speed may be scaled to B's reaction speed."

So yes, scaling the reactions of someone to an attack they can dodge, then scaling one's speed via outpacing that someone is not calc stacking and would be considered valid here.

And why would a random ki blast by Piccolo be vastly superior to any other attack he uses? Also if D-P have don't have better feats yet scale to A, B, C, that point doesn't really matter.
 
"Another example. Say Tien's Dodonpa was calced at 230c. Why would we scale that to Goku dodging his Kamehameha?"

Again, you're using techniques in your example. Piccolo's attack was just a random ki blast.
 
He're's another analogy. why can't we assume that Zapdos' attacks aren't faster than the move Thunder despite being the titan of thunder? Because that would require assumptions, no matter how likely they are.
 
Again you keep talking about specific attacks and techniques. This is just a random ki blast from Piccolo. Completely indistinguishable from all the other ki blasts he's shot at people during fights. There is no reason to think this nameless, basic attack is vastly superior to all of his other techniques, combat, reactions or actually notable attacks.
 
What rule? The rule that a random, nameless, typical attack from him that he uses all the time shouldn't be arbitrarily assumed to be hundreds of times faster than any other thing he uses including his actually notable techniques?

We did the same thing in not assuming Atomic Samurai's slash was so much faster than his other attacks. Again this is just a random ki blast, not an actual special type of attack from him.
 
SomebodyData said:
Well, really any character with a speed feat via a basic attack would apply.
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This pretty much.
 
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