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I know that this topic has been touched on many times in the past, and that it a conclusion was agreed many months ago. However, VBW as a wiki strives to be as accurate and unbiased as possible, and if we as a community continue to display factually inaccurate information, we will be seen as untrustworthy, and our ratings will not be believed.
Currently, we have both Chakravartin and Asura at 3-B.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Chakravarti
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Asura_(Asura's_Wrath)
The reason? Chakravartin towers over galaxies.
However, that is cherry-picking information and outright lying. The galaxies that surround Chakravartin are not real galaxies, and there is proof of that.
Look at this view, for instance, the camera is positioned from behind the Earth, and yet the galaxies are perfectly visible and definable. Such a view is impossible. The Andromeda Galaxy, the closest galaxy to ours, is but a tiny spec when viewed perfectly from the night's sky.
Compare Chakravartin's size to the sun-like thing he is floating atop on. I will come back to that later. Also note how he seems to be surrounded by nebulae.
Chakravartin fires energy beams at Asura. Compare its size and width to Chakravartin's own.
... But note how it its barely thicker than the Earth. If Chakravartin is truly the size of numerous galaxies, the beam would either be immeasurably larger than the Earth, and also swallow the entire Milky Way, or it would be invisible to Chakravartin. Either that or it progressively shrank as it made its way, which isn't what the scene shows. Apply Occam's Razor and answer what is more likely: That the beam did something not shown by the cutscene, or that Chakravartin isn't as large as we are saying it is?
Anyway, Asura turns into the Planet-Sized Asura the Destroyer.
Chakravartin also creates a large planet to hurl at Asura, it is notably comparable to him in size...
And it is colossal to the Earth-Sized Asura, so that is consistent with the previously shown energy beam's size.
He also creates a blue giant star, which is also comparable to him.
Other examples to the laser beam's size in comparison to Asura. And it is also not larger than the suns Chakravartin creates (Third picture).
Finally, compare Planet-Sized Asura to Chakravartin him. Both the trail of his flight in the first picture, and Asura himself in the second (View it with fullscreen. See that tiny, barely larger than a pixel white spec the arrow is pointing towards? That's Asura).
Asura is indeed minuscule compared to Chakravartin, but if the later truly was the size of numerous galaxies, such a scene would also make no sense.
Finally, what is Chakravartin's true size? Well, Asura's Wrath: Official Complete Works, the guidebook released by CAPCOM with input from creators Kazuhiro Tsuchiya, Hiroshi Matsuyama and Seiji Shimoda, featuring concept art, interviews, descriptions and the like, explains:
"Composition made up of Chakravartin's true form (Refer to separate design), the center of the galaxy, the Milky Way is being sucked into the center of the galaxy, stars that can't break apart (for a sense of speed), and stars that can."
That sun-like celestial body with a ring that Chakravartin's standing atop on? That is the center of the Milky Way in Asura Wrath's universe, and he is sucking the entire Milky Way towards him, sitting at it's center. This, coupled with all I have shown, makes it clear that Chakravartin IS NOT the size of multiple galaxies. Rather, he is smaller than a single one, and the galaxies that surround him are not true galaxies, and shouldn't be taken seriously.
You have a single evidence that Chakravartin is 3-B in size:
Chakravartin's First Form needs to be changed to 4-A / Multi-Solar System level, with the justification being (Was sucking the entire Milky Way towards its center), and his following two forms need to be changed to "At least 4-A".
Asura will have to be changed accordingly as well.
Currently, we have both Chakravartin and Asura at 3-B.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Chakravarti
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Asura_(Asura's_Wrath)
The reason? Chakravartin towers over galaxies.
However, that is cherry-picking information and outright lying. The galaxies that surround Chakravartin are not real galaxies, and there is proof of that.
Look at this view, for instance, the camera is positioned from behind the Earth, and yet the galaxies are perfectly visible and definable. Such a view is impossible. The Andromeda Galaxy, the closest galaxy to ours, is but a tiny spec when viewed perfectly from the night's sky.
Compare Chakravartin's size to the sun-like thing he is floating atop on. I will come back to that later. Also note how he seems to be surrounded by nebulae.
Chakravartin fires energy beams at Asura. Compare its size and width to Chakravartin's own.
... But note how it its barely thicker than the Earth. If Chakravartin is truly the size of numerous galaxies, the beam would either be immeasurably larger than the Earth, and also swallow the entire Milky Way, or it would be invisible to Chakravartin. Either that or it progressively shrank as it made its way, which isn't what the scene shows. Apply Occam's Razor and answer what is more likely: That the beam did something not shown by the cutscene, or that Chakravartin isn't as large as we are saying it is?
Anyway, Asura turns into the Planet-Sized Asura the Destroyer.
Chakravartin also creates a large planet to hurl at Asura, it is notably comparable to him in size...
And it is colossal to the Earth-Sized Asura, so that is consistent with the previously shown energy beam's size.
He also creates a blue giant star, which is also comparable to him.
Other examples to the laser beam's size in comparison to Asura. And it is also not larger than the suns Chakravartin creates (Third picture).
Finally, compare Planet-Sized Asura to Chakravartin him. Both the trail of his flight in the first picture, and Asura himself in the second (View it with fullscreen. See that tiny, barely larger than a pixel white spec the arrow is pointing towards? That's Asura).
Asura is indeed minuscule compared to Chakravartin, but if the later truly was the size of numerous galaxies, such a scene would also make no sense.
Finally, what is Chakravartin's true size? Well, Asura's Wrath: Official Complete Works, the guidebook released by CAPCOM with input from creators Kazuhiro Tsuchiya, Hiroshi Matsuyama and Seiji Shimoda, featuring concept art, interviews, descriptions and the like, explains:
"Composition made up of Chakravartin's true form (Refer to separate design), the center of the galaxy, the Milky Way is being sucked into the center of the galaxy, stars that can't break apart (for a sense of speed), and stars that can."
That sun-like celestial body with a ring that Chakravartin's standing atop on? That is the center of the Milky Way in Asura Wrath's universe, and he is sucking the entire Milky Way towards him, sitting at it's center. This, coupled with all I have shown, makes it clear that Chakravartin IS NOT the size of multiple galaxies. Rather, he is smaller than a single one, and the galaxies that surround him are not true galaxies, and shouldn't be taken seriously.
You have a single evidence that Chakravartin is 3-B in size:
- He dwarfs surrounding galaxies.
- Planet-wide energy beams are comparable to his size, even if smaller.
- A large planet he creates is comparable to his size.
- A Giant Blue Star he creates is comparable to his size.
- His energy beams aren't wider than suns.
- The planet-large Asura is still barely comparable in size to his form, when he should be utterly invisible if Chakravartin were Multi-Galactic in size.
- The Official Guidebook written by the game creators states his true size, and what was actually going on, and it debunks Multi-Galactic Chakravartin.
Chakravartin's First Form needs to be changed to 4-A / Multi-Solar System level, with the justification being (Was sucking the entire Milky Way towards its center), and his following two forms need to be changed to "At least 4-A".
Asura will have to be changed accordingly as well.
