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Archie Sonic vs Flash

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Adamjensen2030

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Can you confirm that Archie Sonic's Speed Feats Calculations are correct?


By the way I think I have found Flash's maximum speed feat without outside help.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JK2iGT4iaXU skip to 12:00 watch to 12:20

AnimationRewind: The fastest thing we've seen Flash do without outside help was run the entire surface area of the universe in one day to find Spectre as calculated by Bauman in the pre analysis. For Flash to do this he would have to be at least 1.3 septillion times the speed of light.

Do you think that AnimationRewind got that information correct?

In case I'm wrong about Flash's maximum speed feat and if he did run faster without outside help can you also mention it as well.

I want to know which character is the fastest.


Thanks for reading.
 
Fastest Flash has ever been was several tredecillion times FTL, which is the highest calculated speed feat period (notice I said feat, Saik ovo)
 
@The real cal howard:

Which comic/movie did you find Flash running at several tredecillion times FTL in? Can you also send a link to the pictures in the comics or movies showing his feat without outside help? And which Flash ran that fast, Barry Allen/Wally West/etc?

@WeeklyBattles:

Sonic was in his Super Form when he performed that 476.96977 Quattuordecillion FTL feat.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/50262/935571-hypvsup2.jpg

In order to find Base Sonic's top speed we divide Super Sonic's Quattuordecillion FTL feat by 1000 since Super Sonic is 1000 times faster than Base Sonic and the answer is 476.9697 Tredecillion FTL.

I have a feeling that it's going to be very close.
 
@Adam He's not talking about Post Crisis Barry, he's talking about Post-Crisis Wally, who is 2.375944852e+43 x FTL
 
The real cal howard said:
The speed posted on that blog was calculated via KE iirc
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If this is the case then the calc won't be accepted @Adam

This site doesn't approve of getting speed from KE, since it's heavily inconsistent with the way fiction portrays AP and speed to be separate. And it'd make every 7-B Relativistic.
 
@WeeklyBattles:

So Wally West ran at 2.375944852e+43 x FTL maximum.

Since Archie Sonic(Super Form) ran at 4.7696977e+47c we can assume that...

Base Sonic runs at 4.7696977e+44c

It looks like Archie Sonic is faster than the Flash in a race.

Who do you think would win in a Death Battle between Archie Sonic and Wally West Flash?
 
Ryukama said:
The real cal howard said:
The speed posted on that blog was calculated via KE iirc
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If this is the case then the calc won't be accepted @Adam
This site doesn't approve of getting speed from KE, since it's heavily inconsistent with the way fiction portrays AP and speed to be separate. And it'd make every 7-B Relativistic.
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I know it's hard to believe but he made this video. He explained his calculations:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Nl-zPZsDt8

He calculated that Sonic is faster than the Flash.

I don't get why you think that getting calculations from KE is wrong. Video games logic, comic book logic can ignore the logic and rules of the real world aka our universe.

I never said you should upgrade every fast character.

Remember that Archie Sonic was lowballed in the calculations. He could go much faster than what beto hax calculated.
 
Just because it fits with real world logic, doesn't mean it's logical to judge fictional characters like that.

Attack Potency technically isn't logical in the real world as it violates the principle of conservation of energy. Yet we use it since fiction consistently allows attacks to be extremely powerful with very small area of effect.

We can't get speed from KE because fiction usually treats AP and speed as separate things. Again, unless you want to argue for every 7-B character to be Relativistic, then this isn't a good method to imploy.

Also if you want to go the "can ignote the logic and rules of the real world," route, I can just say AP and speed aren't the same thing and ignore this calc entirely. You're using "this story doesn't follow real world logic" to argue something that needs real world logic to support.
 
Ryukama said:
Just because it fits with real world logic, doesn't mean it's logical to judge fictional characters like that.
Attack Potency technically isn't logical in the real world as it violates the principle of conservation of energy. Yet we use it since fiction consistently allows attacks to be extremely powerful with very small area of effect.

We can't get speed from KE because fiction usually treats AP and speed as separate things. Again, unless you want to argue for every 7-B character to be Relativistic, then this isn't a good method to imploy.

Also if you want to go the "can ignote the logic and rules of the real world," route, I can just say AP and speed aren't the same thing and ignore this calc entirely. You're using "this story doesn't follow real world logic" to argue something that needs real world logic to support.
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Ryukama, The real cal howard:

In case you're wondering


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4O-5eV4LiA

I got Flash's fastest feat in this video but he needed outside help and Imaginary Axis said from 2:09 to 2:20

Imaginary Axis: "In DC Comics, the Flash has demonstrated his ability to ignore E equals MC squared with the speed force if need be. But he's also displayed an ability to work with it"

Yes, Flash and Sonic do ignore the rules of the real world universe. I can understand that you would disagree with their feats since they aren't realistic with the real world.

Please understand that I'm not angry. I'm trying to understand your perspective and way of thinking.
 
I never argued that Flash's tredecillion feat wasn't amped. I'm not even arguing whether or not Flash is faster than Sonic.

I'm saying that it is not accepted here to derive speed from KE, as it is highly inconsistent with how fiction usually portrays AP and speed to be separate things.

Again, every City level character would be Relativistic going by this method. While it may be logical in the real world, it isn't good for rating fictional characters.

But in either case thanks for being civilized and understanding. And I never interpreted you as acting angry.

I didn't come up with the rules for no speed from KE here. That was implemented long before I was an admin. I just agree with it. Unless that rule changes, this Sonic calc will not be getting accepted on this site.
 
Ryukama said:
I never argued that Flash's tredecillion feat wasn't amped. I'm not even arguing whether or not Flash is faster than Sonic.
I'm saying that it is not accepted here to derive speed from KE, as it is highly inconsistent with how fiction usually portrays AP and speed to be separate things.

Again, every City level character would be Relativistic going by this method. While it may be logical in the real world, it isn't good for rating fictional characters.

But in either case thanks for being civilized and understanding. And I never interpreted you as acting angry.

I didn't come up with the rules for no speed from KE here. That was implemented long before I was an admin. I just agree with it. Unless that rule changes, this Sonic calc will not be getting accepted on this site.
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I understand. I'm not here to force you and other admins to upgrade Archie Sonic. I was stating my opinion about the calculations. I know that a lot of Sonic fans wank Sonic's feats but I am a reasonable Sonic fan that provide calculations and Archie Sonic comic pictures as proof of Sonic's feats.


http://s2.photobucket.com/user/TheZBlade/media/sofast.jpg.html

Sonic moved so fast that everything else to him seemed like a standstill.


http://s1371.photobucket.com/user/crazyty237/media/SonictheHedgehog35-Page13_zps9107aa82.jpg.html

Also Sonic can realiy warp with his speed


I know that it may appear to be Sonic running at infinite speed but I'll let you decide if it's true or not.


So you and the other admins still reject the comic pictures in the links? If yes then can you declare that Wally West Flash is faster than Base Archie Sonic?
 
First feat only takes speeds in the Hypersonic range. Second feat at best requires lightspeed. At worst it's unquantifiable bull that the writers wrote.
 
Being so fast that other people and objects around you appear still isn't remotely indicative of infinite speed, nor speeds close to as fast as what Flash is capable of.

And I'm not sure what exactly is going on within the other scan, but if it truly is Sonic warping reality with his speed, that appears to be more unquantifiable hax than an actual speed.

EDIT: Cal ninja'd me
 
The real cal howard:


https://i.imgur.com/2hmkgFT.jpg

Sonic was running at twice the speed of light at the very least.

I never said that Archie Sonic has infinite speed.


Ryukama:


In that case I'll assume that Sonic warping reality with his speed doesn't qualify as infinite speed.

So can we now declare that Wally West Flash is officially Faster than Archie Sonic?
 
That was declared a while back. However, it's not by a very major amount. Like, Archie Sonic is a close third in fastest quantifiable characters. This thing is #1.
 
The real cal howard:


Thanks for the information.

Do you also have the link to an official ranking list on this website that ranks characters from #1 to #1000/1000+? I'm also very curious to see who else came 4th, 5th, 6th, etc.

I would also like to see the link to the thread where Wally West Flash was declared to be faster than Archie Sonic.
 
Twice the speed of light is not something remotely worth mentioning at all. Countless characters including Sonic himself have vastly greater showings. And considering you said it does seem to "I know that it may appear to be Sonic running at infinite speed" it does seem to imply that you were suggesting that at least.
 
Adamjensen2030 said:
The real cal howard:
Thanks for the information.

Do you also have the link to an official ranking list on this website that ranks characters from #1 to #1000/1000+? I'm also very curious to see who else came 4th, 5th, 6th, etc.

I would also like to see the link to the thread where Wally West Flash was declared to be faster than Archie Sonic.
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There is no "official ranking list" on the site that counts down the fastest characters. There also isn't a particular thread where Flash was decided to be faster than Archie Sonic. That conclusion is just made due to their feats and showings. It's like asking for a thread where Goku was declared stronger than Naruto.
 
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