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Mewtwo vs. Gremmy Thoumeaux

I have to go with Gremmy on this. Gremmy can create things that I don't see mewtwo surviving. He has nowhere near the stamina of someone like Kenpachi and his regen is too low to help out. Plus mewtwo would have an insanely hard time trying to kill Gremmy
 
Hmm... siding with Amlad on this. Gremmy might be stupid and the most ******** reality warper ever, but he's still capable.
 
Even with Gremmys stupidity he wins. Any slight proper use of his power and it's nighty-night for mewtwo.
 
Can Mewtwo just make Grammy think that he's dying and let Grammy take himself out, while his precog lets him get the time and strategy to do that? Let alone in character, where Mewtwo is no nonsense while Gremmy...isn't.
 
But real cal you can't mind rape a broken brain. Kappa.

That is a way for him to win if you think about it. Although in the end that might just end up with Gremmy countering itand if Mewtwo relies on it Gremmy might figure it out, maybe. It's his best shot, but Gremmy still has the advantage on ways to kill him.
 
Vs threads aren't about who has more ways to win. It's about who's more likely to win. And in this battle, you have a half asser who's biggest weakness is that his mind will use his power against him against a serious Sam who likes to lead with mind screw. Also, doubt Gremmy will figure out Mewtwo's power set in time.
 
Bad wording on my part. In this case it's more likely that he wins. I still stand by with reality warping either way. Your last sentence is probably true though.
 
No I mean, "Me First" uses what your opponent uses before them, Gremmy reality warps so..
 
Oh. Okay.

Dunno if anyone will try to make a case for Mewtwo but I hope it isn't actually a stomp?
 
Let's see here. Statistically, they are similar, with Mewtwo holding an AP and durability edge, but the real thing here is Mewtwo's telepathy and mind hax. Mewtwo starts fights by reading its opponent's mind, and ends them by destroying said mind, most of the time.


Before Gremmy starts thinking, Mewtwo will already know everything about him, as Gremmy has no psychic feats, let alone any on Mewtwo's level. Before Gremmy can get serious, Mewtwo will shatter his mind with visions of him dying, of it being invincible, and finally it would end with Mewtwo either forcing Gremmy to imagine his own death, or mindwiping him into a vegetative state.


Mewtwo wins.
 
I guess i'll humour you then.

Omegagoldfish said:
Mewtwo starts fights by reading its opponent's mind, and ends them by destroying said mind, most of the time.

When has this happened at all?

Before Gremmy starts thinking, Mewtwo will already know everything about him,

If Mewtwos Psychic power was as great as you say it is how does he keep getting deceived? And When has he instantly read someones mind? "Knows everything before Gremmy can even think" sounds suss

Mewtwo will shatter his mind with visions of him dying, of it being invincible, and finally it would end with Mewtwo either forcing Gremmy to imagine his own death, or mindwiping him into a vegetative state.

Again, when has he ever been shown doing that?
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LordAizenSama said:
I guess i'll humour you then.
Omegagoldfish said:
Mewtwo starts fights by reading its opponent's mind, and ends them by destroying said mind, most of the time.

When has this happened at all?

Before Gremmy starts thinking, Mewtwo will already know everything about him,

If Mewtwos Psychic power was as great as you say it is how does he keep getting deceived? And When has he instantly read someones mind? "Knows everything before Gremmy can even think" sounds suss

Mewtwo will shatter his mind with visions of him dying, of it being invincible, and finally it would end with Mewtwo either forcing Gremmy to imagine his own death, or mindwiping him into a vegetative state.

Again, when has he ever been shown doing that?
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"When has Mewtwo mindwiped an opponent?" Mindwipes: https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/2so1w6/respect_mewtwo_the_first_movie/

"In the first movie, Mewtwo exemplified these vicious characteristics and was shown to be capable of levitation, telepathy and mind control" (Bulbapedia, emphasis mine.)


"https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Telepathy"

"Ability to transmit thoughts, feelings (like despair or hopelessness) or subconsious state of mind." (Emphasis added).


"If Mewtwo's psychic power was so great, how did it keep getting decieved?"

A few reasons: One, PIS. Secondly, a being aware of Mewtwo's powers, and with a strong enough will, could resist it's attempts. As Gremmy is not aware of Mewtwo's power, it's somewhat unfeasible for him to shut Mewtwo out.


Did I touch on Mewtwo's time manipulation at all? No? Well, it can do that. Granting it more time to read minds, if the process isn't instant anyway.
 
That's not my question. It was: "When has Mewtwo started a fight, instantly read their mind and mindhaxed them?"

Sounds more like CIS than PIS, because i'm fairly certain he never uses his mental powers offensively in a battle. Pride? Stupidity? Who knows. But it is a character flaw like Gremmys.

Also as far as i'm aware he cannot manipulate time. If so i'd be glad to get a source on that

You see, what you're doing, is instantly putting Mewtwo in a best case scenario, where he makes all the correct choices, ignoring the fact that hes in character, and will just make all the right moves in battle whilst Gremmy makes all the wrong ones.

The only reason this fight is not a outright stomp is because Gremmy tends to not make the right choices.

Imagine what would happen if I took your approach (No Pun Intended)

"Gremmy imagines Mewtwo is dead,Or that he didn't exist in the first place, Gremmy uses Vanishing point and Erases His presence from the world then kills Mewtwo, Gremmy erases Mewtwos power, Gremmy turns Mewtwos body into cookies, Gremmy BFRs Mewtwo into Far out Space, Gremmy Imagines 10 Mewtwos to fight Mewtwo."

Well i'm sure you get the picture.
 
If this is Gremmy with the same mentality he fought Kenpachi, he loses (like, sure, bullets). If he uses A TINY PART of what he can do (like turning bones into cookies), he wins. Tho, the moment he starts explaining his ability (lol), mewtwo will go serious and probably mindfuck him.

Serious gremmy: wins.

In-character Gremmy: good luck.
 
Visualize what? You mean Gremmy actually using his powers properly? 0.0

Also I can't believe that pun I made aye aye aye..
 
LordAizenSama said:
That's not my question. It was: "When has Mewtwo started a fight, instantly read their mind and mindhaxed them?"
Sounds more like CIS than PIS, because i'm fairly certain he never uses his mental powers offensively in a battle. Pride? Stupidity? Who knows. But it is a character flaw like Gremmys.

Also as far as i'm aware he cannot manipulate time. If so i'd be glad to get a source on that

You see, what you're doing, is instantly putting Mewtwo in a best case scenario, where he makes all the correct choices, ignoring the fact that hes in character, and will just make all the right moves in battle whilst Gremmy makes all the wrong ones.

The only reason this fight is not a outright stomp is because Gremmy tends to not make the right choices.

Imagine what would happen if I took your approach (No Pun Intended)

"Gremmy imagines Mewtwo is dead,Or that he didn't exist in the first place, Gremmy uses Vanishing point and Erases His presence from the world then kills Mewtwo, Gremmy erases Mewtwos power, Gremmy turns Mewtwos body into cookies, Gremmy BFRs Mewtwo into Far out Space, Gremmy Imagines 10 Mewtwos to fight Mewtwo."

Well i'm sure you get the picture.
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It says time travel on Mewtwo's profile. Also, why wouldn't Mewtwo use it's mindhax or just Hyper Beam Gremmy before he reacts? I mean, Mewtwo wouldn't just stand there and do nothing. Mewtwo mind reading and mind hax is totally IC. Gremmy just nuking Mewtwo is not.
 
Omegagoldfish said:
It says time travel on Mewtwo's profile. Also, why wouldn't Mewtwo use it's mindhax or just Hyper Beam Gremmy before he reacts? I mean, Mewtwo wouldn't just stand there and do nothing. Mewtwo mind reading and mind hax is totally IC. Gremmy just nuking Mewtwo is not.
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"Just Hyper Beam him before he reacts" In a speed equalised match. Really?

Yeah I'm aware it's on the profile but it's probably wrong, everytime I ask for proof of it I don't get a answer.

You didn't really debunk or answer anything I wrote above, You need to prove what you're stating.
 
PaChi2 said:
If this is Gremmy with the same mentality he fought Kenpachi, he loses (like, sure, bullets). If he uses A TINY PART of what he can do (like turning bones into cookies), he wins. Tho, the moment he starts explaining his ability (lol), mewtwo will go serious and probably mindfuck him.
Serious gremmy: wins.

In-character Gremmy: good luck.
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I'm a bit confused by this post since Gremmy did turn Yachiru's bones into cookies in character
 
His time hax IIRC comes from when he reversed the whole events of the 1st movie back to the beginning of the film.

Also pretty sure that if Mewtwo can easily beat Alakazam, a pokemon who can instantly figure out an opponents weaknesses and with a 5000 IQ can think of like thousands of different scenerios on how to win in the end, then he can use his telepathy on Gremmy.

Plus can't Mewtwo just straight up outsmart Gremmy? Whats stopping Mewtwo from just convincing Gremmy he's killing himself, Gremmy imagines that, and bam it happens?

Im going with Mewtwo for reasons above.
 
@LordAizen I think it's more as if he believes Gremmy would just keep making stupid choices, which honestly isn't unbelievable. But you know the funny part? The reason that Gremmy probably didn't just do that to Kenpachi is probably because he wanted to prove just how strong he is, without just beating him in another method. You know, a sort of pride issue. And him believing that Kenny is only all about raw power so he thought he would have no issue there. Meanwhile one factor why he instantly turned Yachiru's bones into cookies is because he saw her ability... So maybe he can be competent if you don't claim you're the strongest and act like an idiot. A badass idiot mind you but still.


Also where is that Mewtwo time travel source? >:33 I want proof on that too! Not just some "Oh it's in his/her profile, so it should be allowed."
 
Huh. Didn't know that. Although I checked the profile on the wiki and it says he only erased the minds of the people and transported everyone back so.... And uh is Alakazam a reality warper? Cause if so it's kinda not that right to compare him to Gremmy.
 
@Professor Didn't he just teleport and erase their memory? I'm pretty sure that was what happened.

And what do you mean reasons above? Refer to what I wrote above.

@Core Quite possible though it's hard to gauge when he was around for so little
 
I'm a bit confused by this post since Gremmy did turn Yachiru's bones into cookies in character

He wasnt trying to fight Yachiru, just get rid of her. He could have transformed zaraki's bones into cookies many, many, many times, but didnt want to hax him, but overpower him. If gremmy tries to overpower Mewtwo and not hax him, well... that was my point.
 
Also if Gremmy created that whatshisname, the pedo that can become truly ignorable, wouldn't that mean he can use that power too? I think he used that to get in after all.
 
@PaChi He may just want to get rid of Mewtwo also. It was Zaraki he was fighting afterall

@COB Yes, you are right
 
Alright then, if he chooses to use that, since Mewtwo clearly isn't someone he wants to overpower in the same way as Kenpachi or someone trying to claim to be the strongest, it should be easy for him to get a win. Even with precog since... well being ignored is a nasty ability.
 
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