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One-Punch Man Speed Revision

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After a conversation with a friend of mine, I think Genos, and everyone scaled in speed to him. Should have their speeds reduced to Hypersonic until further evidence/justification is given.

Currently, many characters are scaled to Genos in Speed. And his Speed feat claims he is comparable in speed to the Meteor that Saitama shattered. This Meteor was pegged at 11,000 m/s which is escape velocity. However, had it been going at this speed it would have taken it less than 10 seconds from the time it entered the atmosphere and began heating up due to friction. (Karman Line 100 Km) and impact.

But this is not the case, as it reaches the Atmosphere, Genos is able to activate Arms mode, meet and converse with Metal Knight and Watch Metal Knight's assault on the Meteor, all before he analyzes and calculates 33 seconds until impact.

Even if you take the maximum highball of the feat and say it just reached the Atmosphere at that 33 seconds mark, the Meteor would then be moving at about 3030 m/s in order for it to take 33 seconds until impact. However, it is likely moving slower since all of the above happened before this mark while it was still in atmosphere.

Characters affected by this would be (Possibly Many more):

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Genos

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Tanktop_Master (Scaled to Genos)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Bofoy (Likely Scaled to Genos)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Pri-Pri-Prisoner (Likely Scaled to Deep Sea King, Who is Scaled to Genos)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Mosquito_Girl (Scaled to Genos)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Sea_King (Scaled to Genos, Though He was able to catch Speed O'Sound Sonic in his True form so that is worth mentioning)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Bang (Scaled to Genos)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Garou (Scaled to Genos, but Only his base, because it mentions his pre-evolved speed being comparable to Genos)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Superalloy_Darkshine (Is scaled to early Garou, who is scaled to Genos)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Metal_Bat (Scaled to Garou, though may be correct because his speed increases with Fighting Spirit [Hypersonic, Possibly High Hypersonic+ with Fighting Spirit])

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Melzalgald (Scaled to S-Class Heroes, who are Scaled to Genos)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Golden_Ball (Scaled to Early Garou, who was Scaled to Genos)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Iaia (Scaled to Melzalgald, who is scaled to S-Classes, who are Scaled to Genos)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Zombiema (Scaled to Deep Sea King, who was Scaled to Genos)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Sweet_Mask (Scaled to S-Class Heroes, though is noted as remarkably fast, so is possibly correctly statted. Should note as [Hypersonic, Possibly High Hypersonic]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Atomic_Samurai (Scaled to Genos, Meteor Feat specifically. Possibly accurate speed though, since he exhibits exceptional Combat Speed)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/G4 (Scaled to Genos)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Evil_Natural_Water (Scaled to S-Class Heroes, who are Scaled to Genos)
 
There is a tendency in Shonen series for people to talk while an attack is about to reach them. Is it really justifiable? And in all honesty though I agree with Austrian. I mean on one hand every other S-Class on the surface was able to react to the Shells being fired from the Spaceship. It was just that they couldn't really react to so many of them and that the city would just be further destroyed.

That's probably a better spot to rely on speed anyway.
 
mmm... not sure, authors and writters tend to mess with this kind of thing, thats why is preferible to use a real speed for meteorites for reference, but if there any meteorite slower than 11 km/s, is better to use the slowest recorded.

Also, a question about Saitama speed: should his speed be slower in Earth than Moon? iirc, he was a little worried for not reach Earth at time, and was counting with Moon's low gravity
 
Antoniofer said:
mmm... not sure, authors and writters tend to mess with this kind of thing, thats why is preferible to use a real speed for meteorites for reference, but if there any meteorite slower than 11 km/s, is better to use the slowest recorded.
Also, a question about Saitama speed: should his speed be slower in Earth than Moon? iirc, he was a little worried for not reach Earth at time, and was counting with Moon's low gravity
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can you explain what youre asking for about Saitama?
 
Antoniofer said:
mmm... not sure, authors and writters tend to mess with this kind of thing, thats why is preferible to use a real speed for meteorites for reference, but if there any meteorite slower than 11 km/s, is better to use the slowest recorded.
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I Do believe the slowest Meteor is something like mach 5 or 1.715 km/s
 
The time that we has sent to the moon, he was counting that moon's gravity was slower to earth, like it will take more time jumping from Earth to Moon than Moon to Earth, that could indicate that he could have suffocate before reaching his the Moon; but that was said in manga, and barely showed in anime, not sure about the webcomic.
 
Antoniofer said:
The time that we has sent to the moon, he was counting that moon's gravity was slower to earth, like it will take more time jumping from Earth to Moon than Moon to Earth, that could indicate that he could have suffocate before reaching his the Moon; but that was said in manga, and barely showed in anime, not sure about the webcomic.
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no it was more him judging the gravity so he'd know how much force to put int his jump so he wouldnt end up destryong the moon jumping back to earth.
 
Well guys.... It looks like the manga just updated. And if at minimum a samurai is supersonic, and gains strength and speed tenfold, yet to Atomic Samurai it looks like he's not even able to move and can slash about several dozen times....

Well basically check out the manga. Might just be hypersonic though but it's a pretty impressive feat considering Atomic Samurai just completely diced someone who was Supersonic pre-transformation

And.... wouldn't Saitama already suffocate before he ended up on the moon in the first place? Considering he didn't expect to end up on the moon? Wouldn't he have already breathed out upon landing?
 
I would also like to add that I believe Genos outpacing his beam is no longer canon. The official volumes don't show that happening and neither does the anime (which is based upon the released volumes.)

Basically I am 99% sure it just appeared in the original release of the manga, but the updated version retconned it.
 
Just because it's unleashed in that version we treat it as non-canon? I mean that is the version that showed up in the manga originally. Isn't that a bit unfair? And isn't it always consistent that the original source should be looked up before the adapted material?

After all it's not as if they removed it entirely from the online sources.

No real complaints on it though.
 
Except the Volumes, AFAIK, aren't really "adapted material" it's more just like OPM Manga v1 vs. OPM Manga v2. The remake always takes precedence.
 
Ehh, do as you'd like. I mean they can't adapt all of that in the manga with all those pages but I suppose they could've done that with a shorter imagery of some kind. Still think it's unfair though considering nothing really makes it non-canon or at least it looks more like a "What could have happened" sort of deal.
 
I could probably find another Hypersonic feat to scale them off of though if that helps. I'm placing good money that Atomic Samurai slicing up Melzalgald would get that or higher, if someone could find a scan of that.
 
Actually working on a calc right now. Can you check out the link images that I posted? The manga just updated lol.

And wouldn't scaling them off of the Boros Arc when the spaceship shot all those weapons at them be considerable? After all they did just react to those but was overwhelmed by the numbers
 
I agree with LordXcano that the remake should take precedence.

So, what is the highest legitimate feat that we can scale them from instead?
 
Thanks for the comment LorXcano, and highest legitimate feat might be the S-Class heroes reacting to the alien shells from the spaceship.

Otherwise the best feat to scale from is the speed Sonic goes under the rain and scale that to SeaKing? Trying to remember any other high end speed feats for them.

I also have the link above but you did say legitimate.
 
@Austiran did you include the part where he slashes a total of 39 times? I counted it to that exact length. And it's probably more than a meter slash. The main issue is that there was no motion blurs at all but then again that's a visual effect. But it's shown or implied that he barely moved if not moved at all.

Also, still arguing for the S-Class Heroes reacting to the spaceship raining down shells on everyone. We should really talk about that too.
 
Mmm... the AMM result seems kinda low, but I'm going with an analysis: Haragiri said to be much faster than sound, so, at lest in university, the minimal amount difference to be negligible is 10 times, considering that Atomic Samurai made around 50 slices when Haragiri didn't even do one, Atomic Samurai speed should be around Mach ~1000, if not higher; AS should be certainly MHS+
 
Tbf on a scale sort of method AMM's is more accurate, but unlike me he didn't apply the 39 slashes (that's the amount I counted. I should check again, but I should be prepping for finals instead kek) so if he applies it it should be MHS+.

Whatever he gets should be increased after though since we're going with the assumption that Haragiri is only speed of sound, and we didn't take into account:

- Exactly how much faster he is than the speed of sound so instead of 340 we should use a higher value

- And how many times he was boosted by the Monster evolution which could be 2x, 3x or 5x at minimum since he seems to really say how much stronger he is now


Edit - tldr, AMM just needs to multiple by 39 and use that as the lowball since we're assuming Haragiri is literally Mach 1, did move his blade slightly, and didn't take into account how much stronger he got after by that transformation.
 
@COB when the shells were being shot they could only make small movements in the time the shells crossed half the distance between them, and since the shells speed was calced at a different point it would likely be calc stacking to find how fast those short movements were.
 
@Blahblah

Kinda confused by the first half of your response but I understand the second. Wouldn't that just be a showcase of how different the perception speed is and that they could see it?

But I get it. Although it shows that they are close to that threshold of reaction speed.
 
@Antoniofer Could you make a blog post calculation, so we have something to link to for justifying the ratings?
 
Since this is an important scaling feat, you can message the other calc group members with a link to the blog, if you wish.
 
Okay. Then the other calc group members likely have to decide which one that is most appropriate to use.
 
Oh right, we got three calcs with MHS+ values and two with Sub-relativistic values, maybe the AMM calc could qualify if he count the numbers of slices.
 
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