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Pokemon Adventures calculation Revision

Antoniofer

Antoniofer

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Took a look at this http://forums.hero-academia.com/xfa...of-the-false-kyogre-pokemon-adventures.19614/ calculation from NF, and not just is very difficult to say if is well made due the broken links and images, but also has doubtful stats:

First, it said directly the Kyogre's volume, that is over 66*10^12 m^3, however, the scans showed in the upgrade thread show the whale much smaller, and even without consider that, the NF calculator seems to scale the size from the island's: that island seems to have the Phillipsburg's area, around a radious of 300 - 500 meters, however the volume used is like a sphere of 25 km of radious, if that is the real Kyogre's size, he should be way larger than the entire island.

Other issues but not as big as the first one, is that the final result should have been divided by 2, due the height differencial; and for last, how we evaluate "destroying" water? causing the collapse of certain mass of water seems unquatificable...

So, at least if someone can explain me what exactly is happening in that calculation and has way sense, I suggest to downgrade the 12 pokemon (or 9) to their original stats.
 
This seems reasonable, but I would prefer to see more staff input.
 
But it would mean any Pokemon that matches them would be scaled to large island level, and that would turn scaling inconsistent regardless.
 
Cropfist said:
But it would mean any Pokemon that matches them would be scaled to large island level, and that would turn scaling nonsensical and inconsistent regardless.
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No because we don't powerscale on any form of media and only go by feats.
 
Ok, this thread is for determinate if the calc is good or bad (seems bad for me), any discussion about scaling could be done later.
 
Oh right, that was enough delay, back in track.

@Radical, any change that you have the scans/links to said chapter to link it in the OP?
 
I'll just copy paste what I put on Lina's wall

So it starts from this chapter and goes through to the next one

Though i'm not sure how to find the exact size of the island there on but I know the form of the Hoenn region is based off the Kyushu part of Japan.
 
I'm pretty sure there are other characters who recieved there calcs for leveling water bodied. I personally don't see a problem with it.
 
Thanks for the links, @Radical.

The real Kyogre size has been added to the: is pretty big, but not even close to 1 km of height, so actual volume should be less than 900M m^3, and even the calc say that the height is 44 km.
 
Aren't Jirachi's false Pokémon almost always much larger than the real thing? Take a look at its false Groudon for reference.

P.S. Accidentally typed Groupon the first time XD. Jirachi created a false Groupon.
 
RadicalMrR said:
I'll just copy paste what I put on Lina's wall
So it starts from this chapter and goes through to the next one

Though i'm not sure how to find the exact size of the island there on but I know the form of the Hoenn region is based off the Kyushu part of Japan.
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It's the battle frontier in the hoenn region
 
The real cal howard said:
Aren't Jirachi's false Pokémon almost always much larger than the real thing? Take a look at its false Groudon for reference.
P.S. Accidentally typed Groupon the first time XD. Jirachi created a false Groupon.
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The calc is using the false Kyogre, if it size is different than a real Kyogre that isn't relevant here.

Futhermore, not sure how is possible to destroy water: can be vaporized or atomized, but how destroyed?
 
The Living Tribunal1 said:
so what would the new value be?
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It'd have to calculate again, but at the naked eye, considering Kyogre as a cylinder, it would have an AP of City level (high-end). However, scaling the PE of a technically an object to the pokemon that "destroyed" it don't seems very accurate to me.
 
Took a look at the calc again, and seems like the member just confused cc with m^3, since his results are pretty similar the ones made by me; so the real result would be 7.18 Teratons*10^(-6)/2 = 35.9 Megatons, that is certainly City level.

Anyway, I still unconvinced with scaling the PE to the other pokemons.
 
Still being doubtful, that is the PE of that Kyogre when he was vertically, if he were horizontally his PE would be less, so the energy needed to take down that mass of water is independent to the PE of said mass; similar reason why humans aren't 9-C for damage other humans or animals. If there some equation to take down liquid masses to convert to energy better use that.

Anyway, the calc corrections has been done, if nobody has nothing to say, we can move to scaling now, but I have little known about pokemon powerscaling, so that rests in the members that known about that.
 
Well, the scaling is basically only for the Hoenn, Kanto, and Johto starters using their most powerful move so basically we have to divide by 9 (Although wasn't Pika, Yellow's Pika, and Pichu involved too? If so, while it would probably count as an outlier for the Pikachu family, we would have to divide by 12 instead of 9)
 
@Radical, Not is this wiki, and sorry if I still commiting mistakes, but the original calculator commited another mistake with the height, using 44880 meters instead of 448.8 m... The better is that the calc is recreated to known if this is 7-B or 7-C feat, but the guy is using the size calculed from a broken link, so we would need to scale from zero.
 
Well Kyogre's size depends entirely on the size of the Indigo League.

Does anyone know how Kaisorwombat found the size of the various regions?
 
RadicalMrR said:
Well Kyogre's size depends entirely on the size of the Indigo League.
Does anyone know how Kaisorwombat found the size of the various regions?
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Maybe checking on the speeds calcs for the "roarmers" of each region?
 
@Aiden. I recently added Charizard, Meganium, Swampert, and Blaziken to the top tiers page, their pictures and everything. Now that they're no longer there, I have to remove them, and put them in the high tiers. If that.
 
I did but it seemed those calcs were based of another which seems to be deleted.

My guess as to how he did it was he just plopped the Regions into their real life counterpart.
 
RadicalMrR said:
Well Kyogre's size depends entirely on the size of the Indigo League.
Does anyone know how Kaisorwombat found the size of the various regions?
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Any other link or image in that blog is broken, that calc should no longer exist.

So, I'll guess that the scaling in that calc is well made (without counting the bad units), the total volume is 6.7*10ˆ13 mˆ3, however the guy confussed the units (mˆ3 for cc), so the real volume is 67000000 mˆ3.

So the mass is 1020*67000000 = 68340000000, and finally the PE is 68340000000*9.8*448.8*0.5= 1.5*10ˆ14 J or 35.9 Kilotons. All right, can another calc memeber check if this is good? I'm tired of look at that and find and mistake...
 
I'm not smart enough to tell you whether you're right or wrong, but I wish to add the fact that we have to divide by 12 (Considering how 12 pokemon were involved) which is exactly 2.99166666667 Kilotons each.

BTW: This actually isn't an outlier for Pikachu anymore apparently. EDIT: Read Below, Ignore this part

EDIT: I thought Pikachu's ultimate attack was accepted as Low 7-C?
 
^If that is the calc about the Z move, then not sure, I didn't agree cuz the size of a lightning and his potency aren't related, or if they are, we unknown that law.
 
@Antoniofer: Considering that Pikachu's lightning has a specific temperature as well as having a specific cylindrical shape to it, have you ever thought about using this law? No?

Anyways, I have made a blog about the PE of Kyogre here. Since the old calc had all its images broken, it's about time a new one be made anyways.
 
Thanks for the recalc, Lina, now we can proceed with the changes as soon the staff take a look.

About the lightning, not sure if that calc is applycable here since lightnings are just a discharge, currents nor electric tensions has size.
 
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