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Possible Whis Speed upgrade

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AguilaR101

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So this just happened in the last episode

Whis flew from the mortal universe to the kaioshin realm in less than 10 seconds to save Gowasu.

The thing is that the Kaishin Realms are 1/10th the size of the universe and the kai planet sits at the center of them, that means Whis Crossed at least 1/20th of the DB in 10 seconds

A quick calculation

Diameter of the observable universe 8.8×1026 m

Distance: 8.8e26 /20 = 4.4e25m

Time: 10s

Speed: 4.4e25m/10 = 4.4e24 m/s or 14.6 Quadrillion times the speed of light.

Beerus also gets upgraded somewhat since he is only 25% slower than Whis.

Thoughts?

Edit: Feat starts at 1:49 in the video.
 
Kaioshin realm is a separate dimension inside the universe, it can't be travelled to with conventional flight. So no upgrade.
 
The dimension itself is 1/10th the size of the universe though, that's what is being measured here
 
AguilaR101 said:
The dimension itself is 1/10th the size of the universe though, that's what is being measured here
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"þòîþÄïþÑ×þòî
Kaioushin Realm
The world where the Kaioushin, the highest ranking beings among the Kaiou, live. Its scope is about one-tenth of the combined space of the World Beyond and the Living World. Endlessly revolving around the circumference of the World Beyond and the Living World, they watch over the entire world and take balance. Planet Kaioushin makes up the center of the Kaioushin Realm. Planet Kaioushin is a solitary planet in the Kaiou Realm, and around it, there are numerous tiny suns. The only people in the Kaioushin Realm are Kaioushin, and Kibito, who acts as support.
[Par.] All lifeforms, other than Kaioushin, and all souls, cannot enter the Kaioushin Realm. The only ways to visit the Kaioushin Realm are by borrowing Kibito's power, or by coming via Shunkan Idou. (Daizenshuu 4, Page 73)

The feat was clearly not teleportation either, so actual speed was used to reach it.
 
AguilaR101 said:
The dimension itself is 1/10th the size of the universe though, that's what is being measured here
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No proof Whis flew the entire dimension, he can create portals and could've gone to Kaio's planet directly.
 
If that were the case why would he dash at the 1:54 mark instead of outright opening a portal and instantly spawning on the kai planet?

And if whis had such an ability, don't you think he would've used it to cross universes instead of taking several hour-long trips to reach them?
 
AguilaR101 said:
If that were the case why would he dash at the 1:54 mark instead of outright opening a portal and instantly spawning on the kai planet?
And if whis had such an ability, don't you think he would've used it to cross universes instead of taking several hour-long trips to reach them?
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Because the universes are different from Kaioshin realm, which is a separate dimension inside 10th universe. Also we don't use Whis' transuniversal feat here, rather his speed for travelling to edge of universe

You have to show proof that Whis travelled any distance to go to Kaioshin realm, since it's not even in the same dimension. Whis can literally open portal anywhere in the Kaio dimension and reach the Kaio planet instantly. Him dashing at 1:54 means nothing. You can not quantify speed feats with separate dimensions.
 
Faisal Shourov said:
Because the universes are different from Kaioshin realm, which is a separate dimension inside 10th universe. Also we don't use Whis' transuniversal feat here, rather his speed for travelling to edge of universe

You have to show proof that Whis travelled any distance to go to Kaioshin realm, since it's not even in the same dimension. Whis can literally open portal anywhere in the Kaio dimension and reach the Kaio planet instantly. Him dashing at 1:54 means nothing. You can not quantify speed feats with separate dimensions.
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As I have already said, the dimension has a known size that can be used which is 1/10th the size of the univere.

As for the portal part, can you show me an instance where he has actually done that?
 
I am uncertain. What do the rest of the staff think?
 
Whis can only create portal to training dimension.He can't opet portals for travel or you didn't watch DBS so far or movies?he always needs time to travel somewhere
 
>How do you know he travel to the mortal realm? He could had still been in the same realm.

>How far did he travel. No distance. Unquantifiable.
 
I know Whis can't teleport for a fact since he needed Kibito to take them to Zano's place and in the episode itself Goku said "Why didn't you let Kibito teleport us back to Earth"

Though i'm not entirely sure how he got back to the Kaioshin realm.
 
HokageMangaVox said:
>How do you know he travel to the mortal realm? He could had still been in the same realm.
>How far did he travel. No distance. Unquantifiable.
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The stars on the realm are enormous according to the universal model, so there is no way the background in the scene is within the realm.

Also if we were to angsize the distance (assuming they're just far enough withing for the stars to look like normal ones instead) you'd get a crazy distance rather than the one the guidebook gives us.
 
Faisal Shourov said:
No proof Whis flew the entire dimension, he can create portals and could've gone to Kaio's planet directly.
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we don`t assume such unless it`s indecated as such. also we see whis travelling physically to kaio`s planet directly, we never saw him creat/open portals in any moment of super. that`s called strawman
 
that being said i think the upgrade seems reasonable. but before that it would be nice if the calcu teams checks it out first
 
The real cal howard said:
Wait. I thought when Beerus and Kaioshin are together, they can go anywhere.
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whis was using his own raw speed at that moment. goku even said that they did not use kaioshin`s help
 
AguilaR101 said:
HokageMangaVox said:
>How do you know he travel to the mortal realm? He could had still been in the same realm.
>How far did he travel. No distance. Unquantifiable.
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The stars on the realm are enormous according to the universal model, so there is no way the background in the scene is within the realm.
Also if we were to angsize the distance (assuming they're just far enough withing for the stars to look like normal ones instead) you'd get a crazy distance rather than the one the guidebook gives us.
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You can't base the universe in a chibi model for it. Stars are just Suns, been small means they are far away.

The distance is unqualified, since we don't know where they were at the time. The timeframe to get too Earth could have been the same 20 minutes we had earlier in Super. Nothing suggest Whis has have training, and increase his speed. This thread is just speculation, base on a assumption.
 
You can't base the universe in a chibi model for it. Stars are just Suns, been small means they are far away.

The distance is unqualified, since we don't know where they were at the time. The timeframe to get too Earth could have been the same 20 minutes we had earlier in Super. Nothing suggest Whis has have training, and increase his speed. This thread is just speculation, base on a assumption.

The model, however, doesn't seem contradicted by the few shots we have of the realm in the manga, or anime (which replaces the suns with moons for the U7 realm for some reason ). if Kaioshin realms were filled with more stars than the ones in close proximity they would be visible in a shot from space, so the same should apply to U10.

Actually the return to earth from universe 10 could also qualify as a speed upgrade since they went from universe 10 to 7 without KaiKai or IT and in less than a hour at worst considering the sun's position didn't change at all during from the time they were on U10 and the time they returned.
 
Victor2 said:
we don`t assume such unless it`s indecated as such. also we see whis travelling physically to kaio`s planet directly, we never saw him creat/open portals in any moment of super. that`s called strawman
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He opened portal to go to his own dimension. How else do you suggest he went to Kaioshin realm? You can't physically travel to a separate dimension using speed.
 
Faisal Shourov said:
Victor2 said:
we don`t assume such unless it`s indecated as such. also we see whis travelling physically to kaio`s planet directly, we never saw him creat/open portals in any moment of super. that`s called strawman
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He opened portal to go to his own dimension. How else do you suggest he went to Kaioshin realm? You can't physically travel to a separate dimension using speed.
show me whis opening a portal to travel. and yes, you can. bronze saint`s travelled from hyperdimenion to elyshin which are seperate dimensions, flash has trancended space-time just by going too fast, superman travlled through universes with raw speed alone etc etc. you can`t cherrypick when it comes to DB that`s called starwman
 
My god this is debunked as Whis used his time manipulation to save Gowaru and Victor here assume he used pure speed to save him. That was a error for people there.
 
Ok no no he reversed time but that was 12 seconds before zamasu killed gowasu then whis had to have traveled their.
 
@Huesito Wait a minute weren't they already in the world of the Kais? If so, this will more than likely mean this is unneeded. There was a Kai with Beerus, Whis, and the others there.
 
Not in the kaio shin realm if they were still in their zamasu and gwashu would sense them and know their still their
 
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